$10,000.00+ For a Tilite ZR

[DaleB]

No, I am saying that if I ordered online (some sites do not even deliver to Canada - but that is another story.) a box would be dropped on my verandah and that is my chair.

By dealing with a knowledgable seating specialist at my provider, we were able to (over the course of several visits) take advantage oif the zra's adjustability to optimize my comfort and performance. Additionally, working w/ tilite I got a custom seat pan the design of which puts more pressure through my hamstring area and has kept my skinny sci ass pressure sore free for 20 years.

IMHO, you can't put a price on that.

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Can you tell me more about this? I have an issue maintaing pressure under my hammies, too...

[CowboyCrip]

I'll get my wife to take a pic but in essentially the profile looks like this:


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Sorry. crude but top line goes from knees to just infront of ishium (?) top of legs. Gentle slope of 1.5 or so inches to bottom line where my boney ass sits. I found this puts alot more pressure on the back of legs and less on butt then a flat seat w/ dump.

btw. Speaking of dump - About 1.5 too 2" of dump front to back and sit on a low profile roho.

[DaleB]

sounds very much like an 'ergo seat' option. Thanks.

[CowboyCrip]

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[CowboyCrip]

Evidently, your DME dealer can.

ETA - not discounting the value added services a good dealer can provide. But $5,000 is a lot of money on top of a $4,000 price that already includes dealer profit. That's a lot of added value! Wonder what it works out to if computed on a per hour basis?

Anyway, I'm glad you are so satisfied with the results. The wrong chair ain't worth nothin'.

Per hour = North of $500/hour - I agree totally. Steep and egregious but it is what it is....

[WahWah]

Yep, reps and dealers working with insurance companies or even aides and equip. programs are the dregs of humanity, buy direct from cool places like bike-on.com.

I got my chair free but it cost the tax payer $5500 for a chair worth around $1500.

Russian gangsters would have more ethics than these jerks.

[wrongdog]

Well, Ti4M, I dunno. I understand YOU didn't get screwed, but someone did. Glad to know if it's not your ass hanging out in the breeze it doesn't matter to you. No matter how you try to rationalize a $10k chair (which includes prices DOUBLE and TRIPLE MSRP for some options and parts) you are part of the problem if you continue to participate in these types of deals. Glad it cost you nothing, but the next guy rolling through that same DME is not likely to be so lucky. 100% coverage on all DME, regardless of price, is an exceedingly rare benefit.

Would you have paid this price for your chair, out of pocket, knowing you could pay thousands less at another shop for the same exact thing?

This thread epitomizes the abuses suppliers, retailers AND consumers levy against an already struggling system.

I agree with Dale. The whole thing is flawed--Greed across the board. If you want fancy wheels and carbon sideguards, for example, you should expect to pay something out of pocket. How can you say this is the purpose of insurance? Just because you can get something for free doesn't mean you should. Someone down the line pays.

[titanium4motion]

Listen people,

First, Foolish Old thanks for the grammar correction. I was getting tired when I was writing that post. I laugh when I read too! -15 points at least?

-scott- You need to shut off your HDTV Sci-Fi channel off and go do some muff diving. Seriously.

“It” ouch! Another -15 points! Down to a “C.” Maybe I should have wrote, “We grow old and then die.”

My employer has told me absolutely nothing about where all this money is. I am not privy to inside information. That would be a breach of security. My work has nothing to do with where monies are located. I do design work using CAD software.

I learned where the millions are from the letter campaign I did in 1988 after my injury. There was no Internet back then. Just paper, envelopes, stamps and the US Postal System. I answered this in a previous thread. I used an IBM PS2, WordPerfect and HP Laser Jet Series II to write over 500 companies, organizations, agencies, churches and foundations to see where funding was to help people with disabilities. My responses were phenomenal! That is where I found out that information.

I also served on The Lorain Advocacy Board for Persons with Disabilities for fifteen years where I learned how to write grants to foundations. I also served on Disability Awareness Advisory Group, DAAG, for nine years and Linking Employment Abilities and Potential, LEAP, as a board member for several years.

Now back to TiLite.

I telephoned my medical insurance company and asked about the $10130.40 charge that United Seating and Mobility submitted to them for my TiLite ZR. The representative told me first providers are paid a “contracted amount” no matter what they charge or bill them. Since they are one of the top three medical providers in the United States they get equipment, supplies and services at or near wholesale cost. What the representative told me they paid United Seating and Mobility is $5868.04 for my TiLite ZR. That’s $4262.36 off the submitted charge of $10130.40. United Seating and Mobility writes off $4262.36.

For the occupational therapist he was paid $43.45 for his services.

As previously mention, I did not get screwed.

Stephen212 have a beer and chill out! You do offer good advice on this site.

Repeat, my insurance paid out $5868.04 for my TiLite ZR.

If I had a choice between TiLite or Marvel? I’d definitely go with TiLite. Not like Marvel who is “restructuring” already with an unforeseen future. TiLite has been around as a 'chair company for over a decade plus their titanium golf club line has been in production longer. TiLite is a thriving company that has gone global because of the ‘chairs they manufacture and the demand for a high quality light weight 'chair.

Let’s wait and see what TiLite bring out next!



Ti

[Garyis]

Listen people,

First, Foolish Old thanks for the grammar correction. I was getting tired when I was writing that post. I laugh when I read too! -15 points at least?

-scott- You need to shut off your HDTV Sci-Fi channel off and go do some muff diving. Seriously.

“It” ouch! Another -15 points! Down to a “C.” Maybe I should have wrote, “We grow old and then die.”

My employer has told me absolutely nothing about where all this money is. I am not privy to inside information. That would be a breach of security. My work has nothing to do with where monies are located. I do design work using CAD software.


Now back to TiLite.

I telephoned my medical insurance company and asked about the $10130.40 charge that United Seating and Mobility submitted to them for my TiLite ZR. The representative told me first providers are paid a “contracted amount” no matter what they charge or bill them. Since they are one of the top three medical providers in the United States they get equipment, supplies and services at or near wholesale cost. What the representative told me they paid United Seating and Mobility is $5868.04 for my TiLite ZR. That’s $4262.36 off the submitted charge of $10130.40. United Seating and Mobility writes off $4262.36.

For the occupational therapist he was paid $43.45 for his services.

Repeat, my insurance paid out $5868.04 for my TiLite ZR.

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Ti

"Repeat, my insurance paid out $5868.04 for my TiLite ZR"

Okay, but what does this mean?

"United Seating and Mobility writes off $4262.36." Does this mean that the amount of the write off disappears and does not go into anyones pockets? It think that this is what a write off is?

Iʻve never dealt in this type of transaction, which is why I donʻt understand.

My new Ti ZR - (nowhere near the beauty of yours I must say!) that I just ordered has a price of $3,400 including a $308 cushion, and this is what spinlife.com is billing my insurance company. I am quite fortunate that my ins pays 100% for equipment.

Thanks for doing the research into how it came to be 10K and how the money was distributed.

And - “We grow old and then we die.” yes we do...

[DaleB]

Considering your custom work, $6k sounds reasonable to me. Thanks for setting the record straight. With the way Marvel has gone, if anyone asked me today if they should get a Ti or a Marvel I'd recommend the Ti, too. Unless they want a real suspension chair, which is a rare request.