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    Quote Originally Posted by bob clark View Post
    I'm a gun owner and don't have a carry permit. I'm in Florida and don't know the current law concerning carrying firearms in public but I sometimes [...]
    you may not being worrying anyone, bob, but you may well be committing a crime. I'd want to know the law before i did something as bold as carry a gun, but that's me.

    are you so sure this lady is trying to be intimidating? you seem confident enough to state that in public without even knowing her. perhaps...and i'm going out on a limb here...but perhaps shes carrying a gun for...drum roll please......personal protection? it's the kind of thing that sucks not to have when you need it, and since you never know when you're gonna need it...it makes perfect sense to always have it, if you're worried about needing it.

    at least she is a law abiding citizen and not carrying illegally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan_nc View Post
    Bob, in North Carolina, concealing your firearm would be illegal.

    That is, if you are a [legal] gun owner, and don't have a Concealed Handgun Permit, your legal option is to carry it openly (and not hidden in your fanny pack).
    Hi Dan,

    I think it's illegal to carry a concealed weapon without a permit here in Florida too. Years ago my sister went through the process of getting a permit to carry a concealed weapon but after a year or two she let it expire.

    The laws here in FL were in a state of flux for awhile and I got confused about them. For example, you were allowed to carry one in your car but it needed to be so situated that a 2 step procedure was necessary for accessing it. Like it could be in a closed glovebox (1st step) and then in a holster with a snap (2nd step). And if the glovebox was locked then you could have it in there without it being in a holster. Crap like that.

    Yeah, I know carrying one in my fanny pack is probably illegal. I don't carry it often so I take the chance. When I go out I'll sometimes forget that it's on my chair. If I'm going into the doctor's office or a bar or a store or wherever and then realize that I'm "packin'", I end up keeping it in the trunk of the car.

    I have 2 guns. The .45 is always kept next to my bed and the .38 special was usually kept out here in a computer desk drawer. But when I'm in the bathroom, sitting on the toilet, I feel kinda vulnerable if ya know what I mean. I don't know why, I just do. So it's easier for me to always keep the gun in the fanny pack on my chair so it's within reach no matter where in the house I am. PPPParanoid!

    I think it's legal to openly carry a gun here in FL too but I'd feel stupid having a gun hanging off my chair in social settings. So I'll just take the chance of carrying it concealed and deal with that problem when or if it should ever occur. Like I said, I don't carry it often. Usually just at nighttime when I'm out walking the dog... it makes me feel more secure. I live in a very safe neighborhood butja never know.........

    And if someone wanted to "relieve" me of a gun hanging off of my chair, I imagine with the right timing etc, they could. It's dangerous to openly carry a gun for that reason alone.

    When I get a chance I'll look up the gun laws for FL so I know for certain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob clark View Post
    Hi Mike,

    Don't be silly equating the intimidation factor of a bodybuilder's physique (or "language, color, sex") with that of openly carrying a sidearm at a kid's soccer match. It may be legal for her to do so but that doesn't make it "right" or fair to the other soccer moms. Just my opinion.

    Don't the other soccer moms deserve to feel safe?

    Bob.
    I'm not agreeing 100% with openly carring the gun at a youth venue, but as "silly" as it may be comparing a bodybuilder to carring a gun, not allowing someone to carry because others might be intimidated is just as silly. Why don't the other soccer moms get to know the lady to determine what kind of person she is? I know at my sons soccer, the parents talk to each other.
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    Side note: There used to be a website for concealed carry permits listing regulations for every state, packing.org, but I couldn't get it to load. It also listed which states honors other states permits.
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    I just wasted an hour responding to Dale's post and lost the damn thing by clicking on the wrong window. So fuck it.

    But I will write again that it's bullshit that our armed soccer mom can't conceal her weapon because of the "warm-weather". A small fanny pack on her hip is no more heat oppressive than a holster. And a concealed firearm offers more protection than one in plain view. One that could easily be snatched from Miss Rambo and perhaps turned on her or the crowd.

    Ya know, let's just arm all the soccer kiddie's moms and dads with sidearms and AK-47s and throw in a few licensed .50 cal machine guns. Have fun playing soccer kids. And be assured that we're all mentally stable... we're just safety conscious.

    Quote Originally Posted by WheelieMike
    Why don't the other soccer moms get to know the lady to determine what kind of person she is?
    Maybe they feel intimidated by someone who finds it necessary to arm themselves at a damn soccer match and they'd rather associate themselves with "normal" people. Can you imagine inviting this woman to a tea social and having her sit in your livingroom with a Glock strapped to her hip? And I come from a family with quite a few law enforcement officers in it and who were armed at times. And my father was a gun collector. Blah, blah, blah....

    I'm tired of writing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob clark View Post
    I just wasted an hour responding to Dale's post and lost the damn thing by clicking on the wrong window. So fuck it.

    But I will write again that it's bullshit that our armed soccer mom can't conceal her weapon because of the "warm-weather". A small fanny pack on her hip is no more heat oppressive than a holster. And a concealed firearm offers more protection than one in plain view....

    I agree with you on this point, a fanny pack, ankle holster, or even a button up shirt to cover the hip holster. How would she carry if she went to a beach?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bob clark View Post
    I think it's legal to openly carry a gun here in FL too but I'd feel stupid having a gun hanging off my chair in social settings. So I'll just take the chance of carrying it concealed and deal with that problem when or if it should ever occur. Like I said, I don't carry it often. Usually just at nighttime when I'm out walking the dog... it makes me feel more secure. I live in a very safe neighborhood butja never know.........
    Bob, if there are circumstances for concealed carry, you should probably go ahead with pulling the appropriate permits through your sheriff's office. If you are caught with a concealed weapon without a permit, you'll probably lose your gun.
    Daniel

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob clark View Post
    I just wasted an hour responding to Dale's post and lost the damn thing by clicking on the wrong window. So fuck it.

    But I will write again that it's bullshit that our armed soccer mom can't conceal her weapon because of the "warm-weather". A small fanny pack on her hip is no more heat oppressive than a holster. And a concealed firearm offers more protection than one in plain view. One that could easily be snatched from Miss Rambo and perhaps turned on her or the crowd.

    Ya know, let's just arm all the soccer kiddie's moms and dads with sidearms and AK-47s and throw in a few licensed .50 cal machine guns. Have fun playing soccer kids. And be assured that we're all mentally stable... we're just safety conscious.



    Maybe they feel intimidated by someone who finds it necessary to arm themselves at a damn soccer match and they'd rather associate themselves with "normal" people. Can you imagine inviting this woman to a tea social and having her sit in your livingroom with a Glock strapped to her hip? And I come from a family with quite a few law enforcement officers in it and who were armed at times. And my father was a gun collector. Blah, blah, blah....

    I'm tired of writing.

    Bob.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Art454 View Post
    I have done that to.....lmao.....Now I copy it before I click on anything just in

    case.
    oh yes...i've taken to drafting in notepad for anything more than a quick response.

    sorry you wasted the time bob., i'm not sure it would have been time well spent if you were just going to tell me that sneaking a gun around illegally, to be used with the element of surprise, is somehow more noble than being an honest and law abiding citizen minding your own business at a soccer game. i'm just guessing here, but you don't seem to be on board with open legal carry but are OK with concealed illegal carry. My understanding is one reason open carry isn't illegal is because its safer than concealed carry. an open firearm is not an invitation for a criminal, it's a clear sign to move along, much like a locked door. why start a crime spree with a fist fight over a loaded weapon? that makes zero sense. there are plenty of unlocked doors out there.

    arming soccer moms with ak-47's?!? .50 cal machine guns? "Miss Rambo"?!? jeezus, dude, do you have a reasonable position on this?!?! you forgot to mention flame throwers! what about sniper rifles? oh...and you also forgot my favorite, lightsabers! since we're speculating, they might invent them one day and someone might want to carry one openly and a criminal might just try to snatch it...though they would be prudent to consider the possibility of the victim's knowledge of the force...


    it seems to me, if left alone, this lady would have simply watched the game and went on home with her kids, since we're speculating. but i make it a point to try not to visit people's intentions, as they are so easy to get wrong and impossible to understand from afar, without assuming far too much.

    Quote Originally Posted by bob clark View Post
    I just wasted an hour responding to Dale's post and lost the damn thing by clicking on the wrong window. So fuck it.

    But I will write again that it's bullshit that our armed soccer mom can't conceal her weapon because of the "warm-weather". A small fanny pack on her hip is no more heat oppressive than a holster. And a concealed firearm offers more protection than one in plain view. One that could easily be snatched from Miss Rambo and perhaps turned on her or the crowd.

    Ya know, let's just arm all the soccer kiddie's moms and dads with sidearms and AK-47s and throw in a few licensed .50 cal machine guns. Have fun playing soccer kids. And be assured that we're all mentally stable... we're just safety conscious.



    Maybe they feel intimidated by someone who finds it necessary to arm themselves at a damn soccer match and they'd rather associate themselves with "normal" people. Can you imagine inviting this woman to a tea social and having her sit in your livingroom with a Glock strapped to her hip? And I come from a family with quite a few law enforcement officers in it and who were armed at times. And my father was a gun collector. Blah, blah, blah....

    I'm tired of writing.

    Bob.
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    My kid would not be playing on that kids team NOR would I allow him to play against any team where a parent other than a peace officer was carrying any kind of weapon.

    I wonder if the REF had one when he/she are supervising the match.

    Given the irate soccer parents I have seen that would be the person that should have had one!

    You YANKS are frickin wacko on this shit!

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