Medicine "Ultram"

[Mona~on~wheels]

I take dorvicet now 15 yrs & was thinking
about talking to my Dr about switching to ultram.
There's too much acetaminophen in dorvicet.

I take dorvicet 6 times a day every 4 hrs.
I can't reach anything to see the strength.
But I know by taking it 6 times a day,
it's the maximum level of acetaminophen 4,000 mg

I see ultram has tylenol also.
Will the amount of ultram I would need to take
for the same relief have less tylenol in it?

Looks like it's time release once a day.

Do you, or have you taken this?
Has a lot of warnings, kinda scary.
I've taken the same 3 for 15 of my 17 yrs.
Will I like it better?

Any thoughts on it wil be appreciated. :)

[darrel]

I like the Ultram better than the vicodin that I was prescribed before..Ultram doesn't constipate me and it has a lot better way of pain relief in my opinion..

I have it for the spinal head aches that I received during my baclofen trials and after the pump was put in. it does cause dizziness if you take a large dose..I was told 1-2 tablets every 6 hours as needed......50 mg tablets.......

I think that I have taken 16 tablets since they were prescribed on the 5th of this month...doubt if I need to take them again unless the spinal headaches come back and I can't handle them

[Eileen]

I've taken Ultram for the last four or five years and I like it, both for pain relief and the fact that it doesn't carry the same concern for addiction as some of the opiates do. I also like it because I don't wake up feeling like my head is in a fog.

[metronycguy]

i dont think ultram has tylenol, i think that one is called ultracet

[Mona~on~wheels]

Thanks sounds good so far.

I forgot to ask.
Did you experience any of the bad reactions it warned about?


Important Safety Information


http://www.ultram-er.com/ultram-er/images/isi_content.gif




You said no constipation.
That's one. A big one.
Dorvicet is very constipating.

[quad79]

I've taken various pain meds over an 11 year span and for the past 4 I've used Ultram. It's the best yet for me. The only downfall for me is that I can't take it too late or else I can't sleep.I highly reccomend it!

[Mona~on~wheels]

I've taken various pain meds over an 11 year span and for the past 4 I've used Ultram. It's the best yet for me. The only downfall for me is that I can't take it too late or else I can't sleep.I highly reccomend it!

Thanks, so it keeps you up?
Most pain meds I've taken make me sleepy.
That's a plus, my other meds keep me drowsy.
Thanks for reccommending it.

Do you take 1 pill a day?
That's what the article said.

[metronycguy]

the article you quoted was for ultram ER, which is a once day tablet.
you would start out on ultram t see if it works, ultram is good for 4 hours to six hours, max does is 300 mg a day,
200 mg a day is still quite a hight does though,
ultram come in 50 mg capsuled shaped tablets

[Mona~on~wheels]

Thanks metronyguy

I hope it has less tylenol.

I'll ck iit out online

[Mona~on~wheels]

Ultram has tylenol too


Ultram/Ultracet/ and Tylenol

In each tablet of Ultracet, you get 37.5mg of tramadol, a substance that acts like hydrocodone, a very very weak hydro. Just like 99% of all pain meds, you're provided with 325mg of the liver killer. Tylenol. The good folks at Ortho-McNeil, realizing ultram was about to go generic, reformulated its big seller by adding tylenol........oh, and they cut the tramadol mg's by 13.

[metronycguy]

ultram does not has Tylenol. ultram =tramadol
use rx list for your research , there are a lot of bs sites out there that do not have correct info
ultracet=tramadol hydrochloride/ acetaminophen tablets
http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/ultracet.htm

[Mona~on~wheels]

from your link


ULTRACET® (tramadol hydrochloride/acetaminophen) Tablets combines two analgesics, tramadol 37.5 mg and acetaminophen 325 mg.


Sorry, I guess I'm confusing

acetaminophen 325 mg = is the ingrediate in tylenol I'm trying to avoid

it distroys your liver

So I need to ask my Dr. if Ultram has less than Dorvicet.

Thanks for helping me.

[Sue Pendleton]

ULTRAM doesn't have tylenol in it. ULTRACET does have tylenol in it. Not very confusing. If you want the med without tylenol in it ask for Ultram. And if you seem to think tylenol will kill your liver stop taking Darvocet and take Darvon...

Just curious but where did you get the idea tylenol will kill your liver?

from your link


Sorry, I guess I'm confusing

acetaminophen 325 mg = is the ingrediate in tylenol I'm trying to avoid

it distroys your liver

So I need to ask my Dr. if Ultram has less than Dorvicet.

Thanks for helping me.

[Mona~on~wheels]

too much acetaminophen will damage your liver

thanks for the info Sue

[Sue Pendleton]

too much acetaminophen will damage your liver

thanks for the info Sue

No problem. :-) Too much of a lot of things will kill your liver. My problem is aspirin and other NSAIDs cause stomach problems and I'd prefer to get through life without having part of my stomach removed for a bleeding ulcer (like Mom and Grandma..great genes, eh?). :zombie:

[quad79]

Mona-everyone is correct, Ultram has NO tylenol...

[Mona~on~wheels]

Mona-everyone is correct, Ultram has NO tylenol...

Thanks I'm going to ask my Dr. if he'll let me try it.
I know it will be healthier w/o the tylenol.

:) Mona

[darkeyed_daisy]

I take the Ultram ER and it works much better than regular Ultram.

I also take Darvocet but not every day...only when I am having more pain than usual.

I got to the Ultram because I ate 600mg Ibuprofen tablets for several years which gave me lovely ulcers. I cant take any NSAIDS at all now.

Good luck in your search

[Eileen]

Mona, I have never had any of the side affects that they list as a possibility from Ultram. Realistically, if you read the possible side affects of any med out there you will get terrified. I think of it as more legal jargon than anything else......a sort of "just covering out butts" type of thing for that very rare person who actually does start foaming at the mouth while seeing visions of Shangra La just before lapsing into an irreversible coma :)

[metronycguy]

everybody has different reactions to meds, personally i feel ultram is benign compared to the meds i take . do not drive on ultram until you know how it affects you, i did notice a negative effect on my driving in the beginning. many people here will say how addictive ultram is, i never had body dependency on it like i have with oxy's . on good weeks i could stop ultram cold for 2 weeks without any problems or discomfort.
there is a difference between metal addiction and physical dependency, i am dependent on oxy's physically, but i would live happily ever after if i never had to take one again if the pain was gone.

ultram ER to work at it most effective needs to be taken daily.
it takes 72 hours to reach peak plasma level , which means you wont the full pain killing level until 3 days dose.
personally i think darvon and darvoncet are old drugs that are on the verge of being withdrawn from the market due to documented harmful side effects, and not from the tylenol.
make rx list your research for meds, this will you can check all the side effects and also peak plasma and half lives.

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[quad79]

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[Mona~on~wheels]

quad79 I was thinking, what is that? LOL
dummy me trying to read it all, thanks~

Thanks daisy
What's the difference in ultram & ultram er?
Does the er have tylenol (acetaminophen)?
I don't want that.
Also what NSAIDS?
Sorry about your ulcers :(

Thanks Eileen, too funny. I totally agree.
Sometimes the side effects sound worse than the illness. :zombie:
But I realize they're covering their backside.

Thanks metronyguy,
I'll be very careful at first.
I've knocked toenails off hitting door frames on meds.
It will take time adjusting to it.
I know darvocet is becoming obsolete.
After taking it 17 yrs my body has to be immune to it.
Time for a newer drug.

I feel so much better about switching to ultram
after all of your helpful insight.
Thank you so much for taking the time to help me!
I really appreciate your kindness.

:) Mona

[alan]

Some of those meds may contain aspirin instead of acetaminophen (Tylenol.) I'd think one is best off with the straight opiate without added aspirin or acetaminophen.

[StevieP]

What kind of pain does the Ultram ER help with? I have nerve pain both phantom and at my injury level. Does it help with that kink of pain?

Stevie P

[metronycguy]

ultram er is the long acting timed release version of ultram.
you would never be started on ultram er AFAIK.
if the med works and you have tolerable side effects and you do need it 24/7 , doc may try ultram er.
i found ultram er had good steady state painkilling , but in me it also had a steady state lack of motivation. i was also on a lot of other meds. bottom line you need to see how ultram works. you man only need it 3 times a day , so you don't want a 24 / 7 dosage. ultram er is supposed to be taken every day , you need a blood level for it work properly i don think you reach the steady state peak plasma level until 72 hours. the chart are all on rx list.
the good think about ultram is it is not physically dependent like oxy is. i stopped taking all ultram about 4 weeks ago after over 2 years of at least 150 to 200mg a day . i think ultram works pretty well on nerve pain, the side effect were pretty low compared to pain relief
ultram has no acetaminophen (Tylenol.) that is ultracet

[StevieP]

Thanks, I just got a 14 day free trial for it in the mail I will go to my Dr. and ask him about it as well. I will have to check and see if I can get it for the Ultram and not the Ultram ER. I do have the pain all day the only time I do not feel it is when I am asleep.

Stevie P

[adi chicago]

i took tramadol when i was in china after my oeg procedure ...worked ok[no more pain for few hrs], but i was always sleepy and my stomach was very upset .i tried ibuprofen ,tylenol ,baclofen ,lyrica ,neurontin ...damn diffr.meds diffr.side effects..i hate meds.i became addicted to tylenol ...i must stop it ...will damage my liver .

[dunwawry]

Ultram tends to be one of those meds, like the Darvon group of products, that patients either claim works well, or say doesn't do squat. Mona, I think you will just have to try it and see how it works for you.

It has a lower risk for addiction than opiates. However it is not completely risk-free (nor is Darvocet, and after 15 years of taking the max dosage, you may well experience a physical withdrawal) as was originally touted by the manufacturer if I recall correctly. I have had clients who were addicts who would be quite happy to have some ultram.

I agree with you that taking 4000 mg./day of tylenol year after year is not a healthy practice. That is the maximum allowable amount for one day, and tylenol can be rough on the liver, having had patients who overdosed, and died, from it......... when your liver fails, as it what happens, short of a transplant, nothing can be done.

I hope you find something that works for you....... because living with constant pain is not a good option either. It comes down to weighing risks vs. benefits. I merely believe that everyone should be aware of all the risks before making decisions so that they can make a fully informed decision.

And by the way, the darvon group of products have been pulled off the shelf in the UK, and there are groups that would like to see it removed here. Not only have there been studies showing that propoxyphene was no more effective than two aspirin, but the margin between a therapeutic dosage and a toxic dosage is small. So if somebody takes it, doesn't get relief and so tries taking a few more, they can end up with a fatal overdose. Many think it has been implicated in too many fatalities to be considered safe. It used to be very widely prescribed, most docs have stopped using it in favor of other medications.

[metronycguy]

i had heard the same about darvon , it is way to risky to prescribe nowadays, plenty of meds that work better and are safer.
darvon has a lot more pain killing properties than aspirin though, i kind of though darvon was in the aspirin category and couple years back , before this injury a doc had prescribed it , i thought it was a joke med, more like a placebo the were prescribing to make you think you were getting a pain killer, my pain had flared up and a took the darvon , it did work very effective on that pain, more than the aspirin i had tried before.
i am surprised it is not off the market due to the safer better that are now available
ultram can definitely give one an addiction, there is a certain euphoria associated with it.
you do not become physical dependent on it , like opiates though.
maybe they do prescribe ultram er from the get go? i may be totally wrong in assuming you need short acting ultram first.

[metronycguy]

i just saw the poll on top, i really dont think there is even a drug in the same class as ultram, except for darvon which is outdated . there is nothing really to compare it too.
vicodin and percocet type drugs are opiates , and have all the opiates side effects that ultram does.

[Mona~on~wheels]

Thanks everyone for suggesting it!

I've been on it 6 wks. and it's much better for pain!
In fact at first I was worried,
because I had no sensation of my bottom.
I had always been able to tell
if I needed to lay back & get pressure relief.
But I've got some feeling now and I watch the clock more.
I don't seem to have any bad side effects.


I don't have the hurting
if I don't take it the very minute it's due.

In fact he gave me 200 mg a day, and I'm only taking 150 mg..

What mg is the Ultram ER?
I thought about asking for it if it wasn't too strong.

Right now 150 mg a day is good.

THANKS! YOU WERE SO HELPFUL!

:) Mona

[razzle51]

Tramadol is the generic and it works well for me . The ER did not work as well as the reg tramadol . I take 400 mgs a day .

[Mona~on~wheels]

Thanks I'll check it out before changing.
I probably get the generic too.

:) Mona

[metronycguy]

i was just checking rx list for ultram maxium dise,
i see that they actually list withdrawal symptoms now for ultram, i had dicounted any withdrawal since i didnt realiuze it had any , and just stopped taking it,
maybe that was the reasone for my high anxiety and worse insomnia, i am on other meds for pain so i am sure that minimized my symptoms,
http://www.rxlist.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=9974

[darkeyed_daisy]

What mg is the Ultram ER?
I thought about asking for it if it wasn't too strong.

Right now 150 mg a day is good.

THANKS! YOU WERE SO HELPFUL!

:) Mona

Mona

Ultram ER is the same thing just brand and it is extended release. It comes in 100mg, 200mg, and 300mg tablets. I take 200mg in the morning and it works for me.

[Mona~on~wheels]

Mona

Ultram ER is the same thing just brand and it is extended release. It comes in 100mg, 200mg, and 300mg tablets. I take 200mg in the morning and it works for me.

Thanks Daisy!

I'll ask my Dr. for the 200 er and see how it works.

:) Mona