So screwed tonight

[betheny]

Every 21 days I've had my hydrocodone refilled, for about 15 months. It was due today. They called, scolded me, said it should last 30 days. Begrudgingly agreed to refill if I'd stretch it to 30 days. Then didn't call it in.

My doctor has a message saying "If you have an emergency, go to the ER." That's it.

Ah, mannnnnnnnnn....I don't want to be on this shit. I've got a messed up body and can't function without it. This night will suck. My fingers hurt so bad, think I have a uti, no appt. till Monday.

[Eileen]

Hi Betheny, Sorry this is happening. No way to contact your doctor before Monday? Wish you lived closer as I have some of the very thing you mentioned here. I don't know whats lurking in the back of your medicine cabinet, but ultram is decent, and neurotin helps with nerve pain. Hell, in a pinch even some mega over the counter stuff might make the night less of a hell.

[hardluckhitshome]

Every 21 days I've had my hydrocodone refilled, for about 15 months. It was due today. They called, scolded me, said it should last 30 days. Begrudgingly agreed to refill if I'd stretch it to 30 days. Then didn't call it in.

My doctor has a message saying "If you have an emergency, go to the ER." That's it.

Ah, mannnnnnnnnn....I don't want to be on this shit. I've got a messed up body and can't function without it. This night will suck. My fingers hurt so bad, think I have a uti, no appt. till Monday.

Dear Betheny,
I'm sorry about that situation. That is awful. Is there an urgent care center you could go to in the meantime? That way it wouldn't be the expense and time of the ER, but you wouldn't have to wait until Monday. I hope you'll be ok.

b'shalom,
Sean

[Le Type Français]

I hate the crap pharmacies and doctors put you through as well. Definitely seek help if you need it.

[JenJen]

Doncha hate the way docs treat folks with chronic pain? Betheny, I'm sorry you're going through this. I use liquor when it gets this bad. I hope you find a way through...

I find comedy helpful when I'm trying to ignore pain. Deep breathing, massage. Anything to calm my body and engage my brain so I can try to ignore the pain and pass the time.

[sjean423]

Damn, low on pain meds AND a UTI. Agree ..... deal with the uti somewhere else before Monday!

[dan_nc]

Bummer, betheny. :( I wish it weren't so.

[teena]

Good grief, can't you call the Dr. at home? Or does he have someone on call?

GRRRR pharmacy...

It could be an insurance issue...most likely someone "ran it wrong" on the computer payment system...

Just a few thoughts...

feel better, soon, Betheny...and God bless and take care!

Teena

[duge]

Betheny, has your Dr. ever said anything about the Duragesic patches? Mine told me she would rather have me on them as to the Hydracodone. I know my bowels really get messed up with it. They don't seem to be near as much as with the patches, but sometimes I still have to take the pills to knock down some of the pain.
Hate to hear you are feeling so bad! hope you get through it and feel better!!!!!!!! :) Sure sucks like hell when you hurt though!

[Susan M]

Beth--that sucks. All I can do is send a hug down south to you.

S

[metronycguy]

you should call your doctor and leave a message for him to contact the pharmacy.
sounds like you need your dosage adjusted. in ny they wont refill a prescription until it 25 days.
if your always running low tell your doc your not making it 30 days , you need another 9 day supply written in. then when you refill at the allowed time , like 5 days early, you will build up an emergency supply

[rybread]

time to hook up that IV of Jack Daniels. That always helps me when it's bad

[rfbdorf]

That's a real bummer, something like that happened to us once before. With our pain specialist's help, we've built up a buffer of several day's worth of meds.
Is that for breakthrough, on top of a longer-lasting med (that's how we used it)?
- Richard

[cljanney]

So sorry to hear that Bethany, that really bites.

This is one of the main reasons why hated being on medication. Besides all the side effects that come along with them, the feeling that you are enslaved to the medication is the worst, always preparing so you don't run out. How your world gets turned upside down when you run out. This happened to me 2 times over 3 years, so I start stockpiling meds. It feels cheap doing it, but running out feels a hell of a lot worse. I just told my doctor that the prescription quantity wasn't strong enough, so I have enough to last me a 3-4 extra days on every month. I'd keep extra in my suitcase, in my glove box, in my knapsack, anywhere that might save me in case I spaced bringing some with me.

The pain that comes with running out of that stuff balloons the pain to about five times worse than the pain by itself. Methadone, OxyContin, and Neurontin, all have nasty withdrawal side effects. God, I hate that stuff. I remember calling up an old family friend, who is a doctor, and he never knew about my accident, and went over to his house, in tears, going through withdrawals with sweats and shakes, feeling like my life wasn't even a shadow of what it used to be. Essentially begging him to write me a prescription for methadone. Definitely one of my life time lows.

If I were you, I'd go to the ER and explain your situation. They have a pharmacy there, they should be able to give you a few days worth. Just bring a book with you or an iPod.

Good luck!

[betheny]

I don't get changing the rules midstream. Suddenly "That is supposed to last you 30 days!" Today that nurse said she'd re-fax it, since this pharmacy mysteriously didn't receive the fax.

I'm writing my doctor. This nurse sucks. Even if I had a stockpile it wouldn't be 9 days. She CHANGED THE RULES. I hate her with the fire of a thousand suns LOL. I must be feeble, running out of prescribed dosage really makes me feel bad. Like sweaty, can't eat, bad bad pain in my bones.

Richard, that's not for breakthrough. That's the whole enchilada.

cljanney, that sounds horrible. You have to schedule your whole life around it and it makes you sick to run out. It's degrading. I got off it before but now I have more stuff wrong with me. Painful stuff.

Thanks guys. I guess I survived...It was not possible to call my doctor. His message says to go to the ER.

[David Berg]

Bethany, if you're taking this long-term is it possible for you to switch to something that doesn't have acetaminophen? I wouldn't expect that the anti-inflammatories are doing you much good for the nerve pain and that Tylenol is hard on you in the long haul.

Sorry you ran into such a hard situation. I hope somehow you're able to accumulate an emergency stash somehow to get you through a day or two in the future. Just a few tablets in the fridge would keep for a long time and be a life-saver for times like this. Best of luck on getting this sorted out and dealing with the screwy nurse. :grphug:

[quad79]

Isn't it enough that we're broken? If only they understood.
Sorry girl...:hug:

Sounds like your starting w/d already-aaah!(hurry,do you have Tequilla?:) j/k)

Have you tried Ultram?-Much better and lasts longer. Plus the drs aren't as shitty over early refills since it's non-narcotic.

[betheny]

David-I'll talk to my doctor about it Mon. I told that nurse yesterday that I didn't think I should be taking so much acetaminophen, she got snooty and told me it was the narcs that will damage my liver. She seems very judgmental, not to mention ignorant (and sadistic LOL. Changing the rules without contacting me is sadistic imo). I can't imagine that office has not one other patient with chronic pain? I'm not sure this is nerve pain any more. (It was for a few years post-sci.) I think it has to do with my thyroid and immune system from Graves disease. It is a bone and joint pain. I guess some is nerves, like the buttburn and maybe the fingers.

I've had gallstones, kidney stones, childbirth. I really don't think I'm a baby about pain, I just have a lot of it. We had a big cold front move in last night.

I know my Graves disease ramps up when I don't have these stupid pills. Some people think killing my thyroid is the answer, but my immune system will still go into overdrive under stress. Without my thyroid it would attack my eyes and legs. That is the nature of Graves disease. I like my thyroid. I just need to avoid stress. Pain = stress.

I thought I was doing well, taking them as directed and suffering through the breakthrough pain. I am CAREFUL about addiction. It runs in my family. That's why I've been following the rules. I make my husband dole out the pills these days. The nurse just wanted to treat somebody like a drug abuser yesterday and my number came up. She suggested I take Advil for breakthrough. LOL. If Advil worked I wouldn't be dealing with her snooty ass, would I?

Maybe she is legitimately concerned. This was the wrong way to convey that. Maybe they are having a government crackdown, although I don't think the gov't. is after the people that take 40 mg. of hydrocodone per day. Again, convey this to me in a timely manner, allow me to adjust my dosage gently and see how we do.

I've been so careful. Yet here I am. It's over now...until next time she gets PMS. The physically dependent pain sufferer is at the mercy of the physically healthy judgmental nurse at all times.

LOL. Way to preach to the choir, Beth! Sorry guys, I hate that we all go through this.

[Lee555]

David-I'll talk to my doctor about it Mon. I told that nurse yesterday that I didn't think I should be taking so much acetaminophen, she got snooty and told me it was the narcs that will damage my liver. She seems very judgmental, not to mention ignorant (and sadistic LOL. Changing the rules without contacting me is sadistic imo). I can't imagine that office has not one other patient with chronic pain?

She suggested I take Advil for breakthrough. LOL. If Advil worked I wouldn't be dealing with her snooty ass, would I?

I've been so careful. Yet here I am. It's over now...until next time she gets PMS. The physically dependent pain sufferer is at the mercy of the physically healthy judgmental nurse at all times.



This happened to me early on after the car accident when I was having 3x a week episodes of hypertonicity from head to toe. And, it was prior to getting the Tizanidine. Talk about horrible. The doctor who prescribed the Hydro. had been called out of town for a funeral and I called on a Thurs. expecting to get a new script by the weekend (only had two pills left) and they wouldn't refill without his notes or him there. I just about cried on the phone, cause it WOULD take me to the ER. I got home that evening and thought hard about it, then an idea hit me. Call after hours, and beg the on-call doc for even 5 pills. He gave me ten. So I called a buddy of ours who was looking for a source of painkillers if I couldn't get something. Ain't that a crock!? Being forced to try and get pain meds 'on the street' you might say. Sad, really sad.

My PCP has said, 'take Advil over the course of the day and it should help' and I told her I had tried that already and it doesn't even touch the pain in the arm and shoulder. I've also read in places that it is actually better to take something like a narcotic to deal with this sort of pain rather than mass quantities of Advil or Tylenol, because you are taking less. Taking 40 mg. of Hydro. a day seems to be a smarter choice than 3000 mg of say Tylenol.

[quadvet]

Betheny, I'm sorry for your pain and hope you get relief soon. Pain = stress. I hear that, and stress can make my neuropathic pain skyrocket.

http://sci.washington.edu/info/newsletters/articles/01sum_pain_sci.asp

Post-SCI .. neuropathic pain .. may be exacerbated by fatigue, tobacco use, stress, overexertion, bowel or bladder complications, pressure sores, spasticity, and weather changes. Diana D. Cardenas, MD, MHA
ALL the reasons stated make my neuropathic pain skyrocket. Great reading on that site.

Get better, Matt

[bob clark]

Hi Betheny,

Sorry to hear of your pain predicament.

I think hydrocodone is a lower class of drug than the more effective oxycodone. It seems there are many doctors prescribing hydro instead of oxy for pain since the government doesn't look as harshly on them for prescribing the lower class hydro.

It's ridiculous that they make you take all the acetaminophen 325-750mgs per 10mgs of the hydro or oxy. If I wanted acetaminophen I'd buy a bottle of Tylenol OTC! Thanks Rush Limbaugh for illegally taking so much OxyContin, getting caught and bringing it to the attention of the controlling powers that be and giving oxycodone (the active ingredient in OxyContin) such a bad name. And it's all just a pharmaceutical form of heroin. You could take a tiny amount of heroin and get the same results with much less side effects. It's all addictive! Heroin is so cheap to produce and they can't patent it so the pharmaceutical corporations have bad mouthed it out of its legal pain use.

I don't take any opioids for pain, just 2400mgs a day of gabapentin that works well for my neuro-pain. But I'm so damn tired! And I need to increase the dose to 3200mgs or so a day. And I have a script for 20mgs of diazepam a day but only take it ocassionally to help me relax or sleep but the gabapentin does that rather well all by itself. I have quite a back-up supply of diazepam.

Try to get the hydro or oxy (Roxicodone is a brand name that's just oxycodone... no acetaminophen) without the damn acetaminophen. Your poor liver.... you only have one. The pills are 1/8 the size.... those 10/325-750 oxy and/or hydros are freakin' horse pills because they're so full of acetaminophen and binding agents. I get a couple dozen of the horse pills every once in awhile and sometimes the hydo or oxy without the acetaminophen that I take "recreationally". I get an ear ringing from all the acetaminophen. Better to get some OxyContin or its generic and take them as directed or chew 'em up. Depending on the milligrammage [sp] of course. Or maybe the fentanyl patch would work better for you.

I always keep a stash of Cipro here for the UTI that used to always eerily pop up on a Friday night... no doctor 'til Monday so it was a longgg wait in the ER. UTIs are always triaged to the back of the line. I haven't had a UTI or bacterial colonization in 2 years so my Cipro is probably getting close to its expiration date.

I may not be legal but I'm honest. I'll take honesty over legality any day.

Bob.

[AngelaandKC]

Bethany,

Wish you were closer. Have what you need in abundance from the surgery I had a few weeks ago. Seems all the surgeon wanted to do was keep me drugged up.

Heehee. You guys should see the "pharmacy" I have stashed under my bed. I have stashes of pills everywhere. In the car, at work, in every purse, every bag, friend's houses, family houses. . . Lord knows what I would do without them.

As far as honesty, yes I feel guilty. I used to take more Neurontin and Baclofen then I do now. When I ramped down, I "forgot" to tell my family doc. He still writes for the same amount of pills which gives me some breathing room just in case. Now before people jump down my butt, I only refill when I know I'm running low and turnover my "stashes" so they don't get old.

Stupid docs and pharmacies. . . You try running out of Neurontin or baclofen on a Friday night. . .

[David Berg]

David-I'll talk to my doctor about it Mon. I told that nurse yesterday that I didn't think I should be taking so much acetaminophen, she got snooty and told me it was the narcs that will damage my liver. She seems very judgmental, not to mention ignorant (and sadistic LOL. Changing the rules without contacting me is sadistic imo).
It's always amazed me how some great doctors have the worst nurses, and some of the greatest nurses work for decidedly medicore doctors. Others can better address the specific dangers of taking Tylenol long-term, but I've seen repeated warnings that it's really not a good plan, better to go with just the narcotic.

She suggested I take Advil for breakthrough. LOL. If Advil worked I wouldn't be dealing with her snooty ass, would I?
Oh good grief. She really needs a few CEUs on neuropathic pain. That's all I'll say about that, it would be way too easy to rant.

Maybe she is legitimately concerned.
That doesn't excuse her ignorance.

[sjean423]

Glad you made it through. LIke someone abovr said. Once you let the pain skyroicket, it is so hard to get under control. I agree. If she has been prescribing 21 X 40mg every 21 days, it is unreasonable to suddenly say, hey that is supposed to last a month! If she wants it to last a month, she needs to write it that way. And last I knew there were more than 21 days in a month.

I got annoyed with my Doc's office last month. Script was due to run out on the w/e. Doc's office closes at 3pm on Fridays. My transportation is my daughter, who get home from school at 2:45. And in my state, the script can;t be phoned in, I have to pick it up. Therefore I called on Tuesday afternoon, to pick it up on Wednesday or Thursday to allow for issues with said ride. Well she questioned why I was running out so soon. Once I explained, all was fine "as long as you aren't filling it until Friday ...." but still. I hate it that I have to plot this all out. (And yes, and emergency backup .... I hate to say stash ....is a good idea.)

[keps]

Just seen this thread, but Betheny, I hope things are vastly improved soon! And {{{hugs}}} from across the pond.

[metronycguy]

betheny , i think it is time to look for a new pain med doctor, in ny i need to see my pain management doctor every month, no refills for most sched II meds in NY.

opioids compared to acetaminophen are usually pretty easy on the body, except for the constipation problems.
the federal govt has all these doctors scared to prescribe the proper meds, oxycodone is better than hydro, but due to govt regs many doctors are scared of the sched II meds.
they make oxy with advil nowadays too. the combo of acetaminophen or nsaids and a narcotic can work a lot better than either alone, the synergetic effect, same as the lyrica, oxycodone, amitriptyline combo however if needed daily , the dose of acetaminophen can be harmful
you think they would clamp down on the selling of cigarettes , make that a controlled substance sched II .

[Le Type Français]

Betheny,

I hope you find some humor in the fact that every time I read your thread title, I imagine it being in the R&S forum and smirk.

[Foolish Old]

Betheny,

I hope you find some humor in the fact that every time I read your thread title, I imagine it being in the R&S forum and smirk.

Todd! That is so inappropriate and cruel! Have you no respect or sympathy for this woman's pain?:nono:

[Le Type Français]

Todd! That is so inappropriate and cruel! Have you no respect or sympathy for this woman's pain?:nono:

I think Betheny knows me well enough to laugh at the double entendre. I've read about her troubles and written to her for explanations on them. She knows I care for her. :) Thread titles are often very deceiving and downright funny at times. I was just finding humor in the title, not the content at all.

If Betheny is offended, I apologize and you know I wish you nothing but the best for you and yours. :hug:

[Foolish Old]

I think Betheny knows me well enough to laugh at the double entendre. I've read about her troubles and written to her for explanations on them. She knows I care for her. :) Thread titles are often very deceiving and downright funny at times. I was just finding humor in the title, not the content at all.

If Betheny is offended, I apologize and you know I wish you nothing but the best for you and yours. :hug:

:rotfl: Too easy! I know your intent was to put a smile on her face. I'm the cruel one for messing with you to poke a little fun at how serious we sometimes take ourselves. I doubt that the double entendre was lost on Ms. Funny-bones.

[Le Type Français]

:rotfl: Too easy! I know your intent was to put a smile on her face. I'm the cruel one for messing with you to poke a little fun at how serious we sometimes take ourselves. I doubt that the double entendre was lost on Ms. Funny-bones.

LOL! If you look at someone funny, you could be shot in today's world. :2guns:

Kudos to you for getting me. :notworthy

[bob clark]

you think they would clamp down on the selling of cigarettes , make that a controlled substance sched II .
Hey Metronycguy, quit picking on us smokers. We almost had to single-lungedly fund the whole SCHIProgram at 51 cents a pack ourselves. That's on top of the 38 cents a pack we're already paying to the Feds and there's about a buck or so a pack of State tax on them to pay to the lawyers down here in FL who won an $11.3 billion settlement for the State against the tobacco companies. All the private lawyers were buddies/cronies of the then Governor Lawton Chiles. Like the State of Florida didn't have enough lawyers on its payroll... or dole I should say... to have gotten the job done themselves. There were between 300-400 just sitting around in plush air conditioned offices waitin' for something to do.

So my cigarette prices have increased because of the lawsuit (lawyer's heyday) on top of the increased Federal and State taxes.

The private lawyers made billions of dollars apiece on this one easy case. The Feds and other States had already set legal precedent. It was so politically embarrassing that the State of FL tried to get some of the lawyer's fees back. They're sure living the good life now on my fuckin' broken back and cigarette habit. The non-smoking bastard Lawton Chiles (a Democrat) died of a heart attack at age 68 as he was riding his exercise bike in the gymnasium of the FL State Governor's Mansion. The irony. Hahaha.

Only later did lawmakers learn that the changes made it easier to win product liability suits against the tobacco industry and possibly other businesses.

Then lawmakers were ignored when Chiles named a group of well-heeled private attorneys, giving them 25 percent in fees of any settlement.

Why do we have an attorney general for crying out loud?'' asks Crist. We're already paying for 300, 400 lawyers working under his direction.''

But Chiles chose a former law school acquaintance, West Palm Beach trial lawyer Bob Montgomery, to head the legal team.

Most everybody is excluded unless you're the buddy of the governor's,'' Crist said. It's a good ol' boy network run amok.''

My uncle is 88 years old, smokes a pack or 2 a day, still jogs and is in great shape. He drinks like a fish too.

I guess poor ol' Joe Six Pack needs another "sin" tax levied upon him. If they dared to raise the taxes of the millionaires and the billionaires in this country proportionate to my income to what I pay in cigarette taxes and the additional 30 billion dollar for the expanded SCHIProgram, there would be many incumbents in Congress lookin' for campaign dollars and then new work in November of '08. Both Democrats and Republicans alike. Or if they try to repeal the huge tax break that the wealthiest upper 2% already received. But of course Bush would have vetoed that SCHIP Bill quicker than he did the cigarette tax funded version of it.

Hey, let's put a buck a can tax on beer. When they tried to put a "luxury" tax on fine expensive wine the Congress threw that Bill out in a hurry... I guess the Georgetown Elite couldn't afford it.

Leave me, my cigarettes and my booze alone! When I was working the damn swingshift on the railroad at the steel mill in temperatures ranging from 160*F to -20*F they didn't mind taking 7.5% out of my paycheck to fund FICA. I was hired there while smoking a cigarette along with the employment manager so don't change the rules in the middle of the game.

Bob.

[smokymtn memories]

Oh Betheny, so sorry to hear about the pain and the ignorant fool. I had to deal with one once. I broke down and went to the clinic because I was loosing the ability to walk, in constant pain, falling a lot, ya'll know the drill. Well, the nice lady doctor I got ignored everything I told her, told me to eat a banana a day and when did I think I could afford to pay for my yearly blood work and a mamagram?????WTF?????

I've had the same thing done to me with meds. And, I agree with anyone who's said to hoard the damn things! I use to be totally honest and use them just whenever I needed them. Not any more! This crap hurts too much, I got screwed at a weekend with no meds and swore I would remember to fill all my meds all the time, even if I had'nt used them all. It's a good thing too. I get Darvacet for, as needed, besides the Gabapentin. It was close to exp date so I called it in a couple of days early. It was about five days too early, they made me wait till there were two days left, it expired, had to call the doctor, the whole nine yards.

If I did'nt now keep a supply at home, I would have been up the creek.

This is soooo not right. Putting people that need these meds thru hell and half of Georgia, just to get a med that will let you function, about half.

Hope you can work something out with your doc. Talk to him about what happened, and ask him if he has a better suggestion as to what to do in case of emergency need for a refill.

[betheny]

LOL, I was so not offended by the thread title joke! That hadn't occurred to me! I love that expression "through hell and half of Georgia" too.

Tomorrow I have an appointment. I may just squeal on the nurse and ask for a referral to the pain clinic.

This weekend I went to TX to see my granddaughter. As I predicted, the stress from pain went straight to my immune system, which did the Graves disease thing of attacking my legs. (It's called pretibial myxedema.) So I lay in bed with Ace bandages and hydrocortisone on my elevated legs. Of course, they hurt from swelling so bad that I had cankles. This is a SHIT quality of life situation! The drive home was rough, my feet hanging down made it all worse.

It sure makes me mad. I need a doctor that understands, and that has a nurse who isn't living to pass judgment on my state of pain.

I love you guys so much sometimes. :o

[Le Type Français]

I love you guys so much sometimes. :o

Likewise. I'm closer to many on here than I am to those in my personal life, though I've been blessed with some really cool characters in my family. The good family I have totally outweighs the bad family. It's one place I can definitely acknowledge the glass is half-full.

[duge]

Betheny, sorry to hear that you are having so much trouble!!!!!!!!!! Sucks you know it! Your Dr. should reprimand his nurse, it's apparent she has never dealt with anyone who is SCI. I always say heaven forbid that anything ever happens to some one like her or in her family. She would change her tune real quick like!!! I also have found alot of people here who I feel really close to! you get more support from people here who have the same or alot worse problems. you don't have to try to explain everything because people here know what your talking about. It's a Great place!!!
Hope you can get things all settled. Will keep you in my prayers!
Doug

[betheny]

Yesterday was my doctor's appointment. I wrote a letter about this incident, and thus armed, rolled in prepared for battle.

A new girl took me back to the exam room, asked what I was there for.

"I'm having bladder spasms, and I need a ruling on my pain pill dosage. I believe the bottle says 4X daily. Victoria says 90 need to last me 30 days. Darned if I know why she can't say it nicely, either." Funny body language on the part of this girl, which I ignored.

The doctor comes in. My pee is clear, he wants me to try Detrol LA, then leaves. The same girl comes in, gives me samples, asks if that was all.

"No. I still need a ruling on the pain pills."

She sits down, opens my chart, begins to show me her calculations. I FINALLY cop on and check her name badge. Of course, it was Victoria herself I had already insulted. :rotfl: I didn't even feel bad. She apologized over and over. I asked her for a referral to a pain management guy.

Looked her dead in the eye and said "I don't EVER want to go around with you on this issue again."

More apologies, hasty explanations, concerns about liver damage. Suddenly she was very aware that the acetaminophen is the culprit with these drugs, after last week being very adamant that I was an idiot to think this. I told her about spending the weekend unable to wear shoes due to stress probably caused by pain, too. Told her,

"Yeah, I don't care. I'm not dealing with this office ever again on matters of pain."

My pain clinic appointment is November 8. I think my doctor must have told her "You made this mess. Fix it." She didn't want me telling her boss that she either repeatedly overrides his orders or is too incompetent to handle a fax machine! (See repeated "loss" of refill orders to the pharmacy. Like 3 or 4 times!)

I felt like I'd been to war, and won. So silly. I didn't feel one bit bad about speaking harshly of her when I didn't realize it was her I was speaking to, either. :D Why would I? I do stupid stuff like that all the time! :rotfl:

And duge, thanks for the prayers. That means more to me than you know. :)

[darrel]

betheny, sorry you had to go through this bs, if you want a good laugh though, every time I saw the title to this thread I kept seeing I'm getting screwed tonight.... boy did that get my attention then I would read the title again and I would see what it actually said...

[betheny]

Silly boys. I almost never put that in the Pain Forum!

[GoTWHeeLs]

Silly boys. I almost never put that in the Pain Forum!Ha, that was good.

[duge]

Betheny, I sure would have like to been there whem you tpld her you didn't want to ever go around with her again. Just sorry you had to go theough that weekend without! That gal was trying to cover for herself but she knew she couldn't. There was NO reason for you to feel bad! After all you know more about pain than she ever will. I use vesicare, and it's great! suppose to be like the Detrol I think. it did stop my spams! Your a great strong lady!!!!!!!!