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Top 10 Apollo Hoax Theories
By Robert Myers and Robert Pearlman
In the early days of the Cold War, three men claim they were chosen by a powerful new government agency to undertake a historically perilous journey. They claim this well-funded operation was staffed with the best scientists and engineers using technology pioneered by the Nazis, and they created the most powerful machine ever built.
In July of 1969, they claim, they climbed aboard an enormous rocket assembled in a Florida swamp, and were sent hurtling at incredible speeds into the sky � all the way to the Moon! Two of them even claim they landed on the Moon, got out, and walked around!
And what prize did they bring back from this momentous journey? Well � they have a bunch of black and white photos of unidentifiable persons in bulky white spacemen costumes in a field of gravel (but curiously without any stars in the black sky) -- and several bags of gray, dusty rocks.
Put that way, the story of the Apollo program can sound pretty far-fetched.
But why should we believe the stories? What evidence is there, really, that the Apollo program landed men on the Moon and brought them back?
Phil Plait, an astronomer at Sonoma University in California, and the Web master of BadAstronomy.com, has his reasons.
If I were trying to fake this, I would put stars in the image," he said referring to the complaint made by hoax proponents that the Apollo photos lack stars. If this had been an oversight, he said, it's an amazingly stupid thing to have forgotten, considering the scope of the "hoax."
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jbinny
05-11-2007, 09:30 PM
What about the over and under lapping crosshairs in some of the pictures. Were the crosshairs not embedded in the lens? Why then are there some pictures where astronauts cover the crosshairs in the pictures?
NorthQuad
05-11-2007, 10:22 PM
Ever hear of the Moon Mirror?
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/expmoon/Apollo11/A11_Experiments_LRRR.html
McDonald Laser Ranging Station
http://www.csr.utexas.edu/mlrs/
This kind of helps to prove they were on the moon. What I wish they would do is take photos of the buggy they left on the moon with a telescope. That would be cool to see. Mabey they already have. I dunno.
What about the over and under lapping crosshairs in some of the pictures. Were the crosshairs not embedded in the lens? Why then are there some pictures where astronauts cover the crosshairs in the pictures?What about 'em? I'm sure there's an answer to your questions, but I don't know them.
What, are you saying you don't believe we went to the moon and landed? Really?
rollin64
05-12-2007, 12:44 PM
there are pictures of the one guy walking and you can clearly see his face through the helmet. i believe we were there. just dunno why we haven't persued it any farther since then though.
just dunno why we haven't persued it any farther since then though.Exactly. Especially now that we'll be in competition with the Russians and Chinese and Japanese and Indian governments to exploit the moon's promise of resources for energy and rocket fuel. We gave up in the 70s and went to the shuttle, which in retrospect is and was a mistake. Hell, we could already have had a base on the moon for decades, and be in complete control up there.
Oh well, let the race begin....
jbinny
05-13-2007, 12:10 PM
What about 'em? I'm sure there's an answer to your questions, but I don't know them.
What, are you saying you don't believe we went to the moon and landed? Really?
Honestly, no. I'm not really convinced we did.
This addresses only 10 of the pieces of evidence that point towards us not landing on the moon.
knightrider
05-13-2007, 12:27 PM
I dont believe anyone even landed on the moon in the 1st place. I heard it was in a studio. How come no one has done it since. Technology Should be far more advanced now than it was in the 60s. Landing on the moon should be a piece of piss by now.
knightrider
05-13-2007, 12:31 PM
Oh yeah i forgot to mention in the footage of the moon landing the shadows were wrong making out there was more than one light source and the flag had light on both sides. I watched it on discovery a couple of years ago. It gotta be fake. no one been there since.
Wise Young
05-13-2007, 12:48 PM
I am stunned. Some people believe that we did not go to the moon? While it is a legitimate question why we (and nobody else) have repeated the trip, the questioning of our having gone to the moon ranks right up there with the conspiracy theory that the CIA and the U.S. government was responsible for the 9/11 attack. My reason for not believing in these two conspiracy theories? If they are true, it means that our government is worse than I can imagine, not just incompetent, stupid, and uncaring.
Wise.
once the shuttle is in space , could the shuttle go there and just do an orbit. maybe take some pics of that buggy?
alpentalic
05-13-2007, 03:02 PM
Good the thing the Soviet's didn't fake a moon landing first, that would have really showed us up. 12 American astronauts that walked on the moon are really liars that have never cracked over all these years? Doubtful.
hapahouli
05-13-2007, 04:02 PM
Ali G and "the" Buzz Aldrin put all the conspiracy theorists to shame with this very serious interview.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTKedyQQkZQ
hapahouli
05-14-2007, 02:06 AM
once the shuttle is in space , could the shuttle go there and just do an orbit. maybe take some pics of that buggy?
I read somewhere that the buggy is for sale. one minor problem though...Local pick up only.:applaud: Lol! J/K
2jazzyjeff
05-14-2007, 02:21 AM
Oh yeah i forgot to mention in the footage of the moon landing the shadows were wrong making out there was more than one light source and the flag had light on both sides. I watched it on discovery a couple of years ago. It gotta be fake. no one been there since.I watched that program too. There were sooo many things wrong. If 1 or 2, I might think otherwise, but I think we've been had. 38 years later we should have an entire town there.. not orbiting. It was done in the desert and Houston Control really thought it was happening. As for the astronauts? They were brainwashed. :p
I have this funny saying I say all the time when I'm trying to convince someone that a job can be done.. I will say, ''We can fake put a man on the moon, that can surely be done.''
2jazzyjeff
05-14-2007, 02:38 AM
The debunking of claim #2 is physically impossible. There's no way the moon buggy folds up to a size equivalent to a large suitcase. :nono: Others were untrue, but that was the most humorous.
A great read.. http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm
It's hard to take seriously anybody who believes the US faked the 5 moon landings...but hey, folks also believe the Earth is flat and only 6500 years old....
Thousands of people were involved in the multiple moon landings. You conspiracy theorists do make for good humor, however, so all is not lost! :) :mega:
We can all use as many laughs as we can get, so thanks are in order for those who've provided them in this thread ;) :applaud:
Wise Young
05-15-2007, 01:17 AM
Apparently, there are four lunar buggies up there:
http://www.historylink.org/db_images/wlt105.JPG
http://www.historylink.org/essays/output.cfm?file_id=1313
NASA awards Boeing contract for Moon Buggie on October 28, 1969.
HistoryLink.org Essay 1313
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On October 28, 1969, Boeing wins the NASA contract to build the Lunar Rover Vehicle, or "moon buggie," for the Apollo space program.
The two-man electric cart was carried to the moon on Apollo 15 and deployed for the first time on July 31, 1971. Two additional Lunar Rovers accompanied the final Apollo missions, 16 and 17. They remain on the moon.
Well, there are apparently others who believe in the Great Moon Hoax. http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast23feb_2.htm
I don't know how one can argue for the authenticity of astronauts having visited the moon. Eye witnesses, presumably, would not count because conspiracists would say that they are lying. Moon rocks.. well, how do we know that they actually come from the moon? The above web site made a couple of fairly interesting arguments against the criticisms made by conspiracy theorists.
1. Conspiracy theorists ask why there are no stars in the photographs of the astronauts when they are standing on the moon. The obvious answer is of course the stars are too dim to have exposed in the film emulsion because the figures in the foreground are too bright. This makes sense since the astronauts reflecting sunlight at much brighter than any stars would be. Because the moon as almost no atmosphere to scatter the sunlight, it is much brighter.
2. The US flag was waving when they put it up. Everybody knows that there is no air on the moon and therefore conspiracy theorists believe that the phograph was faked. Apparently, according to the above web site, the astronaut who planted the flag had rotated it several times and that it had enough stored angular momentum to cause waves and ripples in the low gravity situation. http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/apollo/apollo11/html/s69_40308.html
3. Moon rocks. According to Dr. David McKay, Chief Scientist for Planetary Science and Exploration at NASA's Johnson Space Center, moon rocks are unique. The rocks have no water trapped in their crystal structure and are missing clay minerals that are universally present in earth rocks. They have seen fresh volconic glass in Moon rocks that were formed and trapped over 3 billion years go. On earth, the presence of water would have broken such glass on the rocks after several million years. Moon rocks are also peppered iwth tiny meteroid impacts that fly through space at 50,000 miles per hour, packing a considerable punch. These tiny "space bullets" form miniature and unmistakble craters on moon rocks. Hmmm, I wonder how long I would last out there. I would hate to be hit by one of these small pea-sized space bullets travelling at 50,000 miles per hour. Also, the rocks contain isotopes that we would ot see on earch because they are created by interactions of high-energy cosmic rays. In fact, even if scientists were to put a piece of dehydrated rock in the world's most powerful linear accelerator, they would not be able to duplicate the effect because none can achieve the kind of high energy particles produced by a supernova.
There is a web site called Bad Astronomy (http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html) that debunks the Moon Hoax theory. It points out that many fo the "facts" presented by a Fox show on the subject are inaccurate. It debunked several additional claims.
4. There was no blast crater because the engine nozzle was 54 inches in diameter and the astronauts had applied about 3000 pounds of thrust to land. This means that the nozzle had a area of 2300 square inches and the thrust at most generated 1.5 lb per square inch which is not great enough to create a blast crater. Because there is no atmosphere, the exhaust from the nozzle is spread out over an even wider area.
5. The astronauts apparently left footprints on the moondust. Why didn't the landing blow all the dust away? Well, the reason is because there is no atmosphere on the moon. Air helps maintain dust aloft. However, when there is no air, the nozzle gases are dissipated very quickly and probably do not extend very far. It is very conceivable that the astronauts landed without blowing too much of the dust away. Also, it is likely that the landing may have resulted in an accumulation of the dust around the landing site.
6. Moon hoaxers claim that shadows should be absolutely black because there is a single surce of light. But it seems that there is some other light around. What is that light? Well, surprise, surprise, that light is moonlight. The moon itself reflects light and that then bounces off the lander, the suits, and other things to provide some of the light.
7. Some of the photographs show a halo-like affect. This is called heiligenschein and is common when there is a very bright light and the reflected light is then reflected from objects.
8. Some of the photos show non-parallel shadows suggestive of multiple light sources. This is apparently due to the perspective of the camera that gives the impression of being at a different angle but is not, as illustrated by http://www.iangoddard.net/moon01.htm
http://users.erols.com/igoddard/shadow05.jpg
Finally, the above web site also provides an explanation of the cross-hair disappearance.
Wise.
Tufelhunden
05-15-2007, 04:22 PM
Honestly, no. I'm not really convinced we did.
I don't believe this jbinny! You completely believe the government's far-fetched account of what happened to WTC 7, but you doubt that we landed on the moon.
As an undergrad geology major, on one of our many outings we got a chance to go to the NASA Ames Research Center and perform optical microscopies on some of the very moon rock samples brought back from some of these missions. Along with these samples, there is a huge archive of pretty much anything your heart desires that is public domain.
Bspill1
05-15-2007, 06:37 PM
My reason for not believing in these two conspiracy theories? If they are true, it means that our government is worse than I can imagine, not just incompetent, stupid, and uncaring.
Wise.
I am the one who is stunned!! This is your reason? You can't imagine it so it can't be true. Thats just nuts Wise.
I think there are elements of our government that are waay worse than most imagine. THAT is my reason for accepting the possibility that these events are not as we've been told
rollin64
05-15-2007, 09:24 PM
9/11 was a hoax too. cough, cough............