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Wise Young
02-11-2007, 02:06 PM
It is interesting how much one doesn't see on internet, no matter how much time one spends looking for things. Here is a story from NIMH. I am posting all of it because it is a press release on a government web site. In any case, low dose ketamine has been reported by some studies to be helpful for neuropathic pain. This study suggests that it might have anti-depressive properties as well. Ketamine has been used for many years as a tranquilizer of sorts, causing kids of zone out and also causing amnesia of surgical events. It is also used in animal studies although it is no longer an acceptable "anesthetic" agent. But, the nurses at the Bellevue pediatric emergency room had a great cocktail that included ketamine and haldol that could be given to kids orally and they calm down almost instantly.

Wise.

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/press/ketamine.cfm


Press Release

August 7, 2006

Contact: Susan Cahill
NIMH Press Office
301-443-4536
NIMHpress@nih.gov
Experimental Medication Kicks Depression in Hours Instead of Weeks

People with treatment-resistant depression experienced symptom relief in as little as two hours with a single intravenous dose of ketamine, a medication usually used in higher doses as an anesthetic in humans and animals, in a preliminary study. Current antidepressants routinely take eight weeks or more to exert their effect in treatment-resistant patients and four to six weeks in more responsive patients — a major drawback of these medications. Some participants in this study, who previously had tried an average of six medications without relief, continued to show benefits over the next seven days after just a single dose of the experimental treatment, according to researchers conducting the study at the National Institutes of Health's National Institute of Mental Health.

This is among the first studies of humans to examine the effects of ketamine on depression, a debilitating illness that affects 14.8 million people in any given year. Used in very low doses, the medication is important for research, but is unlikely to become a widely used clinical treatment for depression because of potential side effects, including hallucinations and euphoria, at higher doses. However, scientists say this research could point the way toward development of a new class of faster- and -longer-acting medications. None of the patients in this study, all of whom received a low dose, had serious side effects. Study results were published in the August issue of the Archives of General Psychiatry.

"The public health implications of being able to treat major depression this quickly would be enormous," said NIH Director Elias A. Zerhouni, M.D. "These new findings demonstrate the importance of developing new classes of antidepressants that are not simply variations of existing medications."

For this study 18 treatment-resistant, depressed patients were randomly assigned to receive either a single intravenous dose of ketamine or a placebo (inactive compound). Depression improved within one day in 71 percent of all those who received ketamine, and 29 percent of these patients became nearly symptom-free within one day. Thirty-five percent of patients who received ketamine still showed benefits seven days later. Participants receiving a placebo infusion showed no improvement. One week later, participants were given the opposite treatment, unless the beneficial effects of the first treatment were still evident. This "crossover" study design strengthens the validity of the results.

"To my knowledge, this is the first report of any medication or other treatment that results in such a pronounced, rapid, prolonged response with a single dose. These were very treatment-resistant patients," said NIMH Director Thomas R. Insel, M.D.

Ketamine blocks a brain protein called the N-methyl-D-aspartic acid (NMDA) receptor. Previous studies have shown that agents that block the NMDA receptor reduce depression-like behaviors in animals.

NMDA receptors are critical for receiving the signals of glutamate, a brain chemical that enhances the electrical flow among brain cells that is required for normal function. Studies indicate that dysregulation in glutamate could be among the culprits in depression. Using ketamine to block glutamate's actions on the NMDA receptor appears to improve function of another brain receptor — the AMPA receptor — that also helps regulate brain cells' electrical flow.

Scientists think the reason current antidepressant medications take weeks to work is that they act on targets close to the beginning of a series of biochemical reactions that regulate mood. The medications' effects then have to trickle down through the rest of the reactions, which takes time. Scientists theorize that ketamine skips much of this route because its target, the NMDA receptor, is closer to the end of the series of reactions in question.

"This may be a key to developing medications that eliminate the weeks or months patients have to wait for antidepressant treatments to kick in," said lead researcher Carlos A. Zarate Jr., of the NIMH Mood and Anxiety Disorders Program.

The researchers who conducted the study now are zeroing in on other areas of the glutamate system. Specifying which components of the system are affected by compounds such as ketamine may help scientists understand how and why depression occurs, reveal biological markers that may one day aid in diagnosis, and point the way to more precise targets for new medications.

Dr. Zarate was joined in this research by Husseini K. Manji, chief of the NIMH Mood and Anxiety Disorders Program, and colleagues Jaskaran B. Singh, Paul J. Carlson, Nancy E. Brutsche, Rezvan Ameli, David A. Luckenbaugh, and Dennis S. Charney.

afkap
02-13-2007, 03:35 AM
I just completed ten days, four hours each day, of IV ketamine for neuropathic pain. So far, I have reduced my use of other pain medications by about 75%. There were no hallucinations or unpleasant side effects except for tiredness. Last year, I tried a one day infusion, followed by ten days of oral ketamine. It helped my neuropathic pain, but eventually the pain returned to its extremely high level. I am hoping that the ten day process will prove more beneficial. My pain is severe (six years post-injury-C4/5 incomplete) and although ketamine is a commonly used anesthetic, it seems uncommonly used as a treatment for neuropathic pain.

cljanney
02-13-2007, 04:11 AM
I just completed ten days, four hours each day, of IV ketamine for neuropathic pain. So far, I have reduced my use of other pain medications by about 75%. There were no hallucinations or unpleasant side effects except for tiredness. Last year, I tried a one day infusion, followed by ten days of oral ketamine. It helped my neuropathic pain, but eventually the pain returned to its extremely high level. I am hoping that the ten day process will prove more beneficial. My pain is severe (six years post-injury-C4/5 incomplete) and although ketamine is a commonly used anesthetic, it seems uncommonly used as a treatment for neuropathic pain.


afkap,
Where did you have this done? Did you consider the Ketamine induced coma that is being done in Germany?

I've read a fair bit about it and it's uses for Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy, but not for SCI. I'm very curious as to how you get along over the next few months in regards to your pain. Please keep us posted. Thanks, I hope you get more and more relief as time passes!;)

Christopher

ps Here are a couple links I've read about the Ketamine use in Germany

http://www.rsdfoundation.org/en/CNN_RSD.htm (good CNN Video on story)

http://www.rsdfoundation.org/en/NeurologyToday.html

http://www.rsdfoundation.org/en/BrettKetamineResearchVideo.html

http://www.rsdfoundation.org/en/ElizabethKetamineFLASH.html

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=305492&page=1

http://www.rsdfoundation.org/test/ketamineabstract.html

afkap
02-13-2007, 09:46 PM
I did this in WLA. I read all of the information I could find, mostly related to RSD and CRPS and the research done in Philadelphia and in Germany. I did not consider trying the ketamine induced coma.... Thanks for your comments.

Myc0
02-17-2007, 10:38 PM
I've read that DXM (Dextromethorphan HBr) can also help alleviate neuropathic pain (source) (http://www.erowid.org/references/refs_view.php?ID=6784&S=dextromethorphan&SField=Title), as well as enhance the analgesic effect of opiates (source (http://www.erowid.org/references/refs_view.php?ID=6748&S=dextromethorphan&SField=Title)), while possibly preventing an opiate tolerance. DXM is a dissociative similar to Ketamine, though ketamine didn't seem to enhance the effects of opiates like DXM. What are your thoughts on this?

afkap
02-18-2007, 06:57 PM
I took dextromethorphan for about three years, and it is possible that its benefits were related to enhancing analgesic effects and minimizing opioid tolerance. Currently, I take Namenda for a similar purpose. Ketamine, however, had a much greater impact (so far) on reducing my use of opiates.

Myc0
02-18-2007, 08:04 PM
How does one get ahold of ketamine through a legitimate source? Can a Doctor prescribe it or what?

afkap
02-19-2007, 09:51 PM
Yes, a Dr. can prescribe it and it is a common medication used primarily as an anesthetic. The oral ketamine can be prescribed by a Dr. and obtained at a compounding pharmacy. See the thread referenced below, re: oral ketamine on this site from 2003.

SurfCat
02-21-2007, 02:58 AM
afkap -- Just today my Dr. told meI should completely detox from narcotics over the next 10 days. I've been on this stuff for almost 10 years now and it continues to work less and less while the pain gets unbearably worse. Yet I'm still a bit terrified of having nothing to control it.

I'm located near you and wondered if I could get your Dr.'s name? Is the IV the only way to go for serious narcotics users to detox?

Thanks... your post may be a Godsend!

metronycguy
02-21-2007, 04:24 AM
surf cat what are they going to use for the pain once you are off the narcs?
there is also a med called bute?? that detoxes you quickly

Juke_spin
02-21-2007, 10:08 AM
Does ketamine impact the bowels that same way as opiate analgesics?

Myc0
02-21-2007, 07:34 PM
Does ketamine impact the bowels that same way as opiate analgesics?

Obviously I'm no expert, though I have done a lot of amateur research on ketamine and related compounds. Anywho, I'm pretty sure that Special K does not affect the bowels like opiates do, almost positive.