Does bigfoot exist?

[bcripeq]

This guy thinks so...

I actually know several honest, legit people who really do believe in bigfoot.

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/idaho-professor-criticized-over-bigfoot/20061103142409990002?ncid=NWS00010000000001



Idaho Professor Criticized Over Bigfoot Study
By JESSE HARLAN ALDERMAN, AP

POCATELLO, Idaho (Nov. 4) - Jeffrey Meldrum holds a Ph.D. in anatomical sciences and is a tenured professor of anatomy at Idaho State University. He is also one of the world's foremost authorities on Bigfoot, the mythical smelly ape-man of the Northwest woods. And Meldrum firmly believes the lumbering, shaggy brute exists.



I dont believe there is a bigfoot.

[Lindox]

I don't know if a unique creature apeman like is in the Forests of the Northwest..but something is making these unusual prints.

And the humans that have sighted something unusual for the area..are they all lying?

I wonder if someone at one time years ago dropped off some apes into this area? Were the apes kept in some circus or sideshow or something..and they reproduced and do live somewhere in those forests.

The foot size would make sense if an orangutan or gorilla or chimp couple were put there where the climate becomes COLD and the need of more hair and bigger foot pads would have evolved.

Orangutans have fairly large feet..and so does a gorilla. Both larger then the chimp family and the orangutan is more hairy type of ape.

Seeing one afar in a place where you don't see any would make them look huge and most likely dark and dirty also. Both can and do walk upright.

Just my idea of how an ape like creature could really be in these woods.

Also due to the climate apes wouldn't procreate as they do in their natural climates. So a few here and there would make sense.

And maybe with time and the difference in diet they might just have grown much bigger over a few generations. So maybe there is a bigfoot.
Would have to capture one to really know..but hey we believe in alot of things we have NEVER even seen.

I don't think this professor should lose his tenure.
He isn't teaching bad things like what liberals are..just bigfoot.

[SCI-Nurse]

I lived in Humboldt County (CA) for a number of years, and you will find quite a few Bigfoot believers in Humboldt and Del Norte counties. In fact sightings and a whole tourist industry has grown up around this around Willow Creek (http://www.willowcreekchamber.com/bigfoot.html) which bills itself as the Bigfoot Gateway of the world. It is along Hwy 299 from the coast to the central valley. There was a major Bigfoot conference there in 2003.

This is a site where you can report (and read others reports) of possible sightings around the USA and Canada:

http://www.bfro.net/

(KLD)

[garvey]

Jersey Devils chased all the large ape creatures out of our woods years ago.

[IanTPoulter]

Bigfoot is as elusive as a straight answer from a republican in the politics forum.

[bcripeq]

I lived in Humboldt County (CA) for a number of years, and you will find quite a few Bigfoot believers in Humboldt and Del Norte counties. In fact sightings and a whole tourist industry has grown up around this around Willow Creek (http://www.willowcreekchamber.com/bigfoot.html) which bills itself as the Bigfoot Gateway of the world. It is along Hwy 299 from the coast to the central valley. There was a major Bigfoot conference there in 2003.

This is a site where you can report (and read others reports) of possible sightings around the USA and Canada:

http://www.bfro.net/

(KLD)

I went camping near willow creek a couple of years ago. It is an interesting place!

[PN]

Jeffrey Meldrum was being interviewed last night on KFI AM640 and while I did not listen to the entire program, I don't think he believes that Bigfoot really does exist. He does think that this requires more research. He and his new book are being supported by Dr. Jane Goodall.

By the way, my nephew has been looking at different universities and last week I found out that he applied and was accepted at Humboldt.

[SCIFighter]

You know, I thought he did but I have not seen him around lately:)
When I was little, and we would visit FL. my aunt lived in the "woods" so, we would go hiking through the woods. Well, they would scare the s*** out of me because always seemed to be big foot prints or so that is how a 6-10 yr old seen them so he was near! I would scream and cry at that and it was thought it was so funny to scare a little kid, no wonder I am so screwed up now:thinking: But, I am not afraid of him now:)

[antiquity]

Hey Lindox, I think it's possible as well. I've never seen a/the bigfoot but I have seen that chimpanzee dubbed Oliver walking upright with locked knees on the NG channel. He was determined to be the result of a rare mutation because his facial features looked different from those of a normal chimp too but nevertheless, pockets of these humanlike chimps do exist. They also said his learning ability/potential was greater than that of normal chimps. If this kind of thing can happen within the chimp population, I'm sure it can happen amongst apes and gorillas too. Maybe bigfoot is a homo erectus/quasi homo sapien type of being.


I don't know if a unique creature apeman like is in the Forests of the Northwest..but something is making these unusual prints.

And the humans that have sighted something unusual for the area..are they all lying?

I wonder if someone at one time years ago dropped off some apes into this area? Were the apes kept in some circus or sideshow or something..and they reproduced and do live somewhere in those forests.

The foot size would make sense if an orangutan or gorilla or chimp couple were put there where the climate becomes COLD and the need of more hair and bigger foot pads would have evolved.

Orangutans have fairly large feet..and so does a gorilla. Both larger then the chimp family and the orangutan is more hairy type of ape.

Seeing one afar in a place where you don't see any would make them look huge and most likely dark and dirty also. Both can and do walk upright.

Just my idea of how an ape like creature could really be in these woods.

Also due to the climate apes wouldn't procreate as they do in their natural climates. So a few here and there would make sense.

And maybe with time and the difference in diet they might just have grown much bigger over a few generations. So maybe there is a bigfoot.
Would have to capture one to really know..but hey we believe in alot of things we have NEVER even seen.

I don't think this professor should lose his tenure.
He isn't teaching bad things like what liberals are..just bigfoot.

[Lindox]

Yeah sen. And Jane Goodall is also curious and helping to solve this puzzle. Even though I am a little mad at her for not helping Mr. McGregor..she is the top chimp
expert. Too bad Dian Fossey isn't around. She would be very curious too.

The foot prints though are odd. But still the way the bigtoe/thumb is away from the other digits..well that's the hand an ape has as a foot. Just different in formation which it would be if they were using their feet as feet all the time.

Even if it is proven to only be a fairy tale..it's a good one. At least no witches are putting little boys into ovens.

[Wise Young]

Yeah sen. And Jane Goodall is also curious and helping to solve this puzzle. Even though I am a little mad at her for not helping Mr. McGregor..she is the top chimp
expert. Too bad Dian Fossey isn't around. She would be very curious too.

The foot prints though are odd. But still the way the bigtoe/thumb is away from the other digits..well that's the hand an ape has as a foot. Just different in formation which it would be if they were using their feet as feet all the time.

Even if it is proven to only be a fairy tale..it's a good one. At least no witches are putting little boys into ovens.

It is incredible that so much time and attention has been paid to this subject. If one does a search for "Bigfoot", Google has 9,520,000 links.

Wise.

[Lindox]

It is incredible that so much time and attention has been paid to this subject. If one does a search for "Bigfoot", Google has 9,520,000 links.

Wise.

Bigfoot 9,520,000
Santa Claus 3,840,000

Dr. Wise Young 2,540,000

It's not the quantity it's the quality of links that count..and your catching up to Santa Claus Dr. Wise.

GEORGE W. BUSH 94.400,000

[IanTPoulter]

No way this type of creature exists, for one thing where is the physical evidence such as skeletons of the dead or even signs of scat. The only so called evidence has been easily faked blurred film and still images and supposed footprints. In fact there have been many hoaxers over the years that have confessed to faking these. The belief in these creatures ranks alongside the belief in crop circles being formed by aliens.

[antiquity]

Here's a pic of Oliver. I read that his bipedalism could have been the result of human domestication. I didn't know it was possible to train a chimp to only walk upright with knees locked but if that's the case, maybe the bigfoots of the world, if they exist, were reared by humans at some point.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/cd/Humanzee2.jpg/180px-Humanzee2.jpg

[adi chicago]

Here's a pic of Oscar. I read that his bipedalism could have been the result of human domestication. I didn't know it was possible to train a chimp to only walk upright with knees locked but if that's the case, maybe the bigfoots of the world, if they exist, were reared by humans at some point.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/cd/Humanzee2.jpg/180px-Humanzee2.jpg
a future universal soldier maybe?

[Lindox]

http://www.howstuffworks.com/bigfoot.html

In this site they give some of the Asia history of a creature that WAS discovered.

And it's possible relationship to the orangutan.
A very unique type of ape for sure.
Solitary..shy yet very curious. And super smart.

I saw a nature show that really spotlighted this ape.
One became a lifelong friend of a scientist.
She would even go swimming with him..of course holding onto his back in a piggyback fashion. And she learned to wash clothes and even to board a boat and go touring the rivers all by herself.

The scientist came back home and went back to see her twenty years later and she recognized him and went crazy with joy upon seeing him. She then treated him as if he never left. Those amazing apes.

Orangutan females do get pretty big and darn strong..but they have never attacked a human like chimps have done. The males will get fiesty as all get out. And huge and powerful beyond any human.

[IanTPoulter]

Lindox, orangutans realy do not have many characteristics in common with the mythical big foot. For one thing they do not walk upright without knuckle dragging, another is you will rarely see them out side of trees.
They also are very clearly recognisable as apes from appearance.

[Lindox]

Lindox, orangutans realy do not have many characteristics in common with the mythical big foot. For one thing they do not walk upright without knuckle dragging, another is you will rarely see them out side of trees.
They also are very clearly recognisable as apes from appearance.

I give you this Ian.
What about gigantopithecus?
Closest ape relative the orangutan.

How is it we hear everyday...there must be other intelligent life in living in this universe?
We have no real evidence to even think this.

Yet people have seen something in the woods of the world..all over the place at one time or another for centuries. Myths just being reborn generation after generation maybe. But maybe not.

If gigantopithecus evolved from some type of ape..and we did too....and so on. Who's to say there isn't other evolutions that took place from the same apes? Or from us one day?

[antiquity]

Funny, this story is on the national geographic channel now. They also mention Oliver.


TV Schedule

Is it Real?
Ape-man [TV-G]
Saturday, November 11, 2006, at 08P

Is It Real investigates the much-debated existence of the Orang Pendek - the "little man" of Sumatra. Orang Pendek, so believers say, is a three foot tall ape-creature, who walks on two legs and has an eerily human face. Many claim to have seen it, manymore believe in its existence. But no photograph, no video, no Orang Pendek body has ever been verified as real by scientists. Will Dr. Peter Tse change history by capturing the first-ever photograph of the creature with his jungle camera traps?

[Buck_Nastier]

Here's a pic of Oliver. I read that his bipedalism could have been the result of human domestication. I didn't know it was possible to train a chimp to only walk upright with knees locked but if that's the case, maybe the bigfoots of the world, if they exist, were reared by humans at some point.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/cd/Humanzee2.jpg/180px-Humanzee2.jpg

It was later found through DNA testing that he belongs to a rare
species of apes living in the Congo who also walk on their hind legs.

[adi chicago]

It was later found through DNA testing that he belongs to a rare
species of apes living in the Congo who also walk on their hind legs.
if an male ape will see your avatar......the end....rape:)

[Buck_Nastier]

if an male ape will see your avatar......the end....rape:)

Not my problem adi. Thats not me in my avatar.

[IanTPoulter]

I give you this Ian.
What about gigantopithecus?
Closest ape relative the orangutan.

How is it we hear everyday...there must be other intelligent life in living in this universe?
We have no real evidence to even think this.

Yet people have seen something in the woods of the world..all over the place at one time or another for centuries. Myths just being reborn generation after generation maybe. But maybe not.

If gigantopithecus evolved from some type of ape..and we did too....and so on. Who's to say there isn't other evolutions that took place from the same apes? Or from us one day?
Yes but gigantopithecus lived until about 500,000 years ago and we have fossilised remains to prove their existence. My point is that if this or any similar creature is still alive how come no relatively recent remains have ever been found?
Only anecdotal reports of sightings

[Wise Young]

Bigfoot 9,520,000
Santa Claus 3,840,000

Dr. Wise Young 2,540,000

It's not the quantity it's the quality of links that count..and your catching up to Santa Claus Dr. Wise.

GEORGE W. BUSH 94.400,000

Lindox, you are giving me a heart attack. It is true that Google found 2,590,000 links to "Dr. Wise Young". But past the first 10 pages, most are about some wise young men, wise young kids, wise young women, Dr. Roy A. Wise, Wise sayings, etc., not just about me. Whew!

But, it is surprising that there are not more related to Santa Claus. Eeks, I just did a search and found only 285,000 posts on "santa claus" (lower case). The upper case version "Santa Claus" got 4,090,000 posts. I did not know that case made a difference.

It is interesting the capitalized "Bigfoot" got only 659,000 links, suggesting that the high incidence of the word resulted from the use of the word as a common noun. However, when I did a search for either "sasquatch" or "Sasquatch", I got 3,050,000 or 3,060,000 links! Now, it is difficult to imagine the word "sasquatch" being used by accident or a common noun.

A quick look at the links for googled Sasquatch links revealed whole web sites:

Sasquatch Information Society
Includes news, pictures, research, and interviews.
www.bigfootinfo.org/ - Similar pages

Sasquatch Books
A regional book publisher specializing in non-fiction books for the Pacific Northwest, including Alaska and California. Delve into all of your areas of ...
www.sasquatchbooks.com/ - 24k - Cached - Similar pages

The Republic of Cascadia: Bureau of Sasquatch Affairs
Humorous site that offers information about sasquatch culture, services, and news.
zapatopi.net/bsa/ - 12k - Cached - Similar pages

including http://zapatopi.net/bsa/militia/

It does seem that people are making a bit much out of a imaginary beast.

Wise.

[dogger]

Ian , I thought you would have mentioned ''Yowie'' and maybe ''Bunyip'' by now :) .

[IanTPoulter]

Ian , I thought you would have mentioned ''Yowie'' and maybe ''Bunyip'' by now :) .
Dogger, i wonder if there is some basis to the Bunyip legend. Aboriginal people have lived in australia for at least 50,000 years it seems so it is not inconceivable they co existed with an animal that was the basis for the myth and that is now extinct. Just a thought.
As to the Yowie, I definitely do not believe.

[Ozymandias]

Maybe it's gigantopithecus. They have found footprints with dermatoglyphics, you know. It was no hoax, baby! Believe!

[rdf]

Wise, if you do a google search using your name under the images tab at the google website, you'll find lots of pictures of you...didn't know if you were aware of this...but dont' worry, none are non-flattering ;)

In the late 70s, my dad and me, with my lil brother, were camping high up in the mountains in N Idaho. We were at least 50 miles from any people or habitations, and we were far up a creek we were fishing. I was probably 16 or so, my lil brother was 8 or 9.

We weren't supposed to be up there, as in the early 1900s a fire swept through that valley, trapping and killing some loggers who couldn't get out and who were staking out the area for the future...there weren't any access roads at that time, and only one old overgrown one when we were there.

The Forest Service has the area closed due to extreme fire hazard most of the year, as it was while we were there. Bad place to get stuck in a forest fire, for sure. People just didn't go there since the bad fire in the early century...except us, that is.

It was getting close to sundown when we spotted a huge ass footprint in the mud on the bank of the creek. The creek wasn't very big, only about 12 feet across, coming down from the mountain and meandering through a little meadow, when we saw the print.

My dad put his foot next to it (my dad was 6' 1'') and his foot was about 3/4 the length of the print in the mud. And the print in the mud was a lot wider, maybe twice so, and it even had 5 "toes." I don't know how many toes bigfoot is supposed to have, but this print had five of them.

The scary part is it looked fresh, still well-formed and all.

We all looked at each other, looked up at the sun disappearing behind the mountains, and without saying a word we started hightailing it back to camp, which was a few miles down creek.

Luckily we made it back to camp without breaking any bones but not before dark, even though we were moving pretty damned fast :D My pops picked up Ray (my brother) and carried him the last half of the trip down creek to our tent. We heard all kinds of spooky sounds when it got dark during our trip down, funny how the imagination goes into overdrive when somebody is afraid.

Don't know what made that footprint to this day, but my dad died believing it was some kind of animal that walked upright...he wouldn't come right out and say it was bigfoot, but he left that impression. He didn't tell anybody, and this is the first I've told anyone except family and close friends during other later camping trips.

Me, I don't know what it was...still don't ;) But I'm just glad we packed up the next day and went home a day early.

We were spooked, no doubt about it.

I thought for a long time that maybe my dad had pulled a fast one on me and Ray :) But I asked him periodically through the years, and he always said no...and Ray and I were right next to him when we all saw it, so I don't see how he could have fooled us. He died last year from cancer, and if he'd have tricked me and Ray, he would have told us for sure.

But like I said, we were right with him when we saw it. Just one print, pointed towards the creek as if whoever left the print walked across the creek. We didn't check the other side, we didn't want to see another one ;)

Maybe somebody else was way up in the boonies that day, and pulled a fast one on us, who knows. That's how the original bigfoot legend grew so much and so fast...a logger made some huge wooden feet and he'd strap them on his boots and he'd go trudging through the woods...he did it for years...hell, if he's alive, he's still probably doing it. He did it all over the northwest. As are many others doing the same trick, hell, it's good for tourism in some areas.

But I still get goosebumps when I think about it sometimes...scared the hell out of me, really, and I grew up traipsing through the moutains on deer trails and such, and was pretty in tune with nature, and don't scare easily.

But it's hard to fathom how a population of bifgoots could survive without one ever being found, or even a body or bones, etc. It'd take quite a troop or herd or pack or whatever of them to maintain their species, and it just doesn't add up.

But ya never know....:)

[Lindox]

rdf,
WOW.
One good thing about the legend is nobody has ever been attacked by Bigfoot or it's relatives.

I bet man would shoot him though..even if he wasn't in attack mode just passing through where man was.

If you kids weren't with your Dad I bet he would have explored a little. Sounded like he was an adventure kinda guy.

Many good memories you have there of being with him..they never die.

[bcripeq]

Actually some of these Bigfoot experts have quite a large amount of what they think is evidence. Hair, scat, tracks, etc. Just not the actual critter. I did read in the World Weekly News that Montana Highway Patrol shot a two headed bigfoot. But mysteriously, the body disappeared??? But in all seriousness, I know many respectable people who firmly believe in bigfoot.


BTW Bob, fire of 1910 was the fire that killed those firefighters.

http://www.idahoforests.org/fires.htm

It killed many in the little valley that my house is in. Including my great uncle as he and his crew tried to save a small town.

[rdf]

Wow, good find billy. Thanks for the link :-)