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Wise Young
03-31-2006, 09:00 AM
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/03/31/no_benefit_of_prayer_found_after_surgery/


No benefit of prayer found after surgery
Some question science of heart patient study

By Rob Stein, Associated Press | March 31, 2006

WASHINGTON -- Praying for other people to recover from an illness is ineffective, according to the largest, best-designed study to try to examine the power of prayer to heal strangers at a distance.

The study of more than 1,800 heart bypass surgery patients found that those who had other people praying for them had as many complications as those who did not. In fact, one group of patients who knew they were the subject of prayers fared worse.

The long-awaited results, the latest in a series of studies that have failed to find any benefit from ''distant" or ''intercessory" prayer, came as a blow to the hopes of some that scientific research would validate the popular notion that people can influence the health of people even if they don't know someone is praying for them.

The researchers cautioned that the study was not designed to test the existence of God or the benefit of other types of prayer, such as praying for oneself or at bedsides of friends or relatives. They also did not rule out that other types of distant prayer may be effective for other types of patients.

''No one single study is ever going to provide an answer," said Jeffery Dusek of Harvard Medical School, who helped lead the study being published in the April 4 issue of the American Heart Journal.

While many studies have suggested that praying for oneself may reduce stress, research into praying for others who may not even know they are the subject of prayers has been much more controversial. Several studies that claimed to show a benefit have been criticized as deeply flawed. And several of the most recent findings have found no benefit.

The new $2.4 million study, funded primarily by the John Templeton Foundation, was designed to overcome some of those shortcomings. Dusek and his colleagues divided 1,802 bypass patients at six hospitals into three groups. Two groups were uncertain whether they would be the subject of prayers. The third was told they would be prayed for.

The researchers recruited two Catholic groups and one Protestant group to pray ''for a successful surgery with a quick, healthy recovery and no complications" for 14 days for each patient, beginning the night before the surgery, using the patient's first name and the first initial of the last name.

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Wise Young
03-31-2006, 09:09 AM
The study suggests that prayers don't work if God doesn't listen. Besides, He/She was not "double-blinded".

Wise.


Do Heartfelt Prayers Help the Heart?

By Sora Song | Thursday, Mar. 30, 2006 | Permalink

Perhaps no amount of science can disprove the existence of a God, but at least one study, just published in the American Heart Journal, suggests that praying to Him—or Her—doesn't help.

In six U.S. hospitals, researchers involved in the Study of Therapeutic Effects of Intercessory Prayer (STEP) analyzed the healing effects of third-party prayer—in which individuals pray for a stranger whom they have never met. The study volunteers—about 1,800 heart patients undergoing bypass surgery—were randomly divided into three groups: members of the first two groups were not told definitively that they would receive prayer—one of these groups received prayer, and the other did not—while members of the third group were told they would certainly be prayed for.

Daily prayers by three Christian groups began on the eve of the patients’ surgeries and lasted for two weeks. The results? A tad, er, disheartening.

In the 30 days following bypass surgery, doctors found that prayer had no positive effect on rates of postoperative complications. In fact, complication rates in the first two groups—the ones that didn't know whether they were receiving prayer—were were nearly identical. About 52% of the patients who were included in the Christian groups' prayers suffered complications, compared with 51% of the group that received no prayer at all. Meanwhile, the last group, which expected prayer and received it, had the highest rate of post-surgery problems, at 59%.

What It Means: Some previous studies have shown that prayer can have some impact on health, but this new one suggests that it offers no benefit. Whether it may help save your soul, however, is up to you.

chick
03-31-2006, 09:28 AM
Seneca posted story also in Rel:Spir - Study: Praying wont affect heart patients. (w/my post here) (http://carecure.org/forum/showthread.php?p=436893#post436893)

Thought it would be good to link the thread discussion(s).

rickhemi
03-31-2006, 10:07 AM
The study suggests that prayers don't work if God doesn't listen. Besides, He/She was not "double-blinded".

Wise.

Glad you took the time to post this article, good doctor, immensely helpful in dealing with a tragic situation.

In my opinion, you take away hope, and there is no recovery.

I believe there is power in prayer, and on occasions, God does heal. But He is soverign, He does as He wills. Thoughout scripture, many disciples and godly people suffered infirmities. Just look at the life of Paul.

You put your faith in stem cells, and I'll put my faith in the One who created stem cells. Fair enough?

Leif
03-31-2006, 10:14 AM
Paul? That’s some 2000 years ago. Maybe it is a good thing you are not behind the steering wheel for a cure.

rickhemi
03-31-2006, 10:20 AM
Maybe it is a good thing you are not behind the steering wheel for a cure.

OK. I'll agree with you there, no argument here.

How's your chauffeur doing?

Leif
03-31-2006, 10:23 AM
I was not discussing any chauffeurs, I said you ;)

(sorry, didn’t’ mean to criticise you to much here, I don’t know you, it was just a light comment).

Faye M. Mays
03-31-2006, 10:56 AM
Glad you took the time to post this article, good doctor, immensely helpful in dealing with a tragic situation.

In my opinion, you take away hope, and there is no recovery.

I believe there is power in prayer, and on occasions, God does heal. But He is soverign, He does as He wills. Thoughout scripture, many disciples and godly people suffered infirmities. Just look at the life of Paul.

You put your faith in stem cells, and I'll put my faith in the One who created stem cells. Fair enough?


I agree with you Rick, there is power in prayer. Since my auto accident, resulting in incomplete SCI; nerve damage C1/C2, I have turned directly to God for my support - in facing daily challenges, I think this has helped a great deal. Yes, leave stem cell "research" up to the rats. And God has his timeing with us - when we will heal, is up to him - we are out of control. Thanks for writing this. Faye: fmam1merk@netzero.com

Leif
03-31-2006, 11:30 AM
- we are out of control.
What, What? If you want to have a house built, how would you do that?

Who will first have the house finished, the one with the hammer or the one that folds his hands?

(and sorry for your injury and good that your belief helps you)

Lindox
04-01-2006, 06:36 PM
It seems to me that God does listen..and he answers.
Just like parents do with their children.
Do we feed children after they are capable of feeding themselves?

Everything needed for curing lifes ailments are here..
on this Earth. Provided in mass. We are given the minds and the desire to find what is here. By God.

Thus you have pain killers..antibiotics..vaccines..
artificial joints..used hearts and other organs.
And stem cells. So thank God instead of insisting he does it all for us..when he has done and continues to do so much.

Lizbv
04-01-2006, 09:25 PM
http://carecure.org/forum/showthread.php?t=61098

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