Klonipin, Adivan Vs Valium

[jws1217]

Hello Everone

I have been on Valium 5mg for the past 2 years and towards the end it seem like it did not work. I asked to try something else he tried Klonipin that did not stop the spasms at all and all it did was make me tired. Someone mentioned Adivan .5 milligram up to 1 milligram it reduced my Spasms by about 75% it has been a blessing. Now to get rid of the other 25%. Does anyone else have any suggestions as for spasms.

Thanks Mark
Albany NY
C-4 C-5 incomplete

[Hunker]

A massage really help V's do not do much for I can eat them by the handfulls - try the new stuff, everyone is different.

[PN]

Hello Everone
I asked to try something else he tried Klonipin that did not stop the spasms at all and all it did was make me tired.C-4 C-5 incomplete

This is one medication that I would stay away from. Have you considered Botox injections?

[dejerine]

This question is only superficially superficial. Valium and clonazepam are both benzodiazepines as is Ativan. Klonopin was promoted as a way of getting around the nausea that long term high use of valium causes in some people. I have tried EVERYTHING here except botox intrathecally by pump, and for me, I have not found anything effective. I have also encountered many side effects.

[duge]

I take klonopin to help me sleep, at first they used it for a restless leg syndrome, But I don't have that anymore.

[alan]

Ativan has a shorter half life (stays in your system for less time) than Valium and Klonopin (I think Klonopin is the longest half life of the three.) Having a short half life also means that it requires a shorter taper off period than the other two if you decide you want to get off it (just like methadone vs. most other opiates - methadone has a very long half life, so it requires a very long taper to avoid withdrawal. I found this out first hand.)

[dejerine]

Hey Alan,

Good to see you posting. It is so hard to get a fix on these meds. Lorazepam (Ativan) does indeed have a short half life. This could just mean it comes on fast and strong. However, the number of posts suggesting a qualitative difference between Ativan and the othes probably indicates once again that everyone is different. The manufacturer has more severe warnings about addictive potential and about liver damage from taking it than does Klonopin. I would rather see warnings than not, but the PDR sometimes seems more like a way to avoid legal accusations of hiding things than allowing people to really assess how a certain drug stacks up as to safety and side effects. This too frequently makes for a wild goose chase through expensive meds and doctors visits. In the case of Central Pain, this chase often winds up short no matter what you choose. I feel guilty for mentioning some benefit from klonopin at a cost of sedation, since nothing is working for you.

[alan]

I take 1 mg. Ativan at night, to keep me asleep for a few hours if I manage to fall asleep. It doesn't make me think nutty thoughts, or feel high, or anything - not even tired.

[dejerine]

My drowsiness comes on about twenty minutes after 2 mg. of Klonopin. If I dont' succeed in falling asleep in 30 minutes the drowsiness disappears. Stress can easily knock out the effect and leave me staring into the dark all the night hours. Sleep is still fitful, nightmarish, and full of burning interruptions.

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[alan]

Everyone reacts differently to medications - that's why the pharmaceutical companies have to list every possible side effect of a med in their literature, in case one person out of 10 million users develops a problem.

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[afkap]

Have you tried Lamictal?

[betzgood]

Ive taken ativan for years.I take 2mg. up to 3x a day and function normal on them I have minimal spasms but Im also pretty active incomplete para.Once you get them in your system they dont give you such a head buzz and unlike valium when you run out or dont take them for a few days your not moody and ill feeling .everybodys different but I like the ativan best

[lsbrave]

I took both ativan and valium there's a head buzz on valium. Ativan was very calming and not a bad feeling plus, you didn't need to have it or be sick from not taking it.

[PN]

Back in the early nineties, my doctor (no longer my doctor) put me on 4 mg of klonopin and it did indeed work like a very long lasting Valium. However, it did have an adverse side effects with regards to sexual function. I explained this to the doctor and he took the position that it was not from the medication. I decided to take myself off klonopin by weaning myself down from 4 mg to 2 mg. The withdrawals were absolute hell and it took two weeks before I was down to 2 mg. Every patient or person is different and you have to go case-by-case. In retrospect, I wish it had never been placed on klonopin.