Accidental overdoses [Archive]

metronycguy

06-30-2004, 06:14 AM

Originally posted by Brian:

Thank God you cannot overdose from medical marijuana.and has never been a death from it recorded in the USA,1000 a yr die from asprin...you can control how much you need, if you do to much you will just clean out the fridge.
Old sci friends that have used pot instead of other meds are in alot better shape then people messed up from other meds over the years.
I would NEVER think of ever taking vicodin,xanax,darvocet,fentanyl,clonipen, ect,ect,ect it is crazy.
Brian, you are fortunate that marijuana works well for you on your pain. for many people it doesn't work. i am fortunate that acupuncture has in the long run worked well for me and reduced my need for other pain medications.

imnomis

06-30-2004, 09:11 PM

metronycguy

How many acupuncture treatments did you have? Do you still have them? Simon was having 2 treatments a week, then 1 a week. He had his last treatment a week ago because there didn't seem to be a difference in the pain level. We think he had less swelling in his feet and he wasn't getting heartburn quite so often.

Have any of the rest of you had luck with acupuncture?

mrsnomis
(spouse of imnomis T-12 incomplete)

imnomis

06-30-2004, 09:39 PM

whiterabbit11

How scary for you. You've got to keep track of what you're taking if there is no one at home to track it with you. Just be careful!

Si felt like he had an overdose after taking just one Elavil. It put him out for over 15 hours and he had to force himself to get up at that. He hasn't taken another one since. I think it helped with the pain, but he prefers having the pain to losing himself.

By the way, I'm pretty dense sometimes. What is the charcoal all about?

mrsnomis
(spouse of imnomis T-12 incomplete)

metronycguy

06-30-2004, 10:03 PM

imnomis
acupuncture i go 2x a week for almost 3 years now.
i believe it took a while to get effects at least a month for initial.
i was able to stop the anti seizure meds about 6 months ago.

how much elavil was your spouse taking? it makes you sleepy. so its best to take in evening before bed. 10 to 20 mg works well for neuropain, at least for me. the sleepiness during daytime is supposed to get better(hopefully) after a couple weeks.

duge

07-01-2004, 04:59 AM

I never use too, but now I can see where it could happen, Last night my tailbone area hurt so bad that I could have taken more pain medicine and not thought a thing about it. I hurt so bad that all you want to do is just get rid of the pain I use a duralgesic 25 McGram patch and 5/500 mg of Lortab, They don't seem to be working at all anymore, not to mention the burning from my feet.

T-12 incomplete 10-3-02

brian54806

07-01-2004, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by metronycguy:

Brian, you are fortunate that marijuana works well for you on your pain. for many people it doesn't work. i am fortunate that acupuncture has in the long run worked well for me and reduced my need for other pain medications.

I know it does not work for a few it makes pain worse but I would say 80 percent of sci I have met it works well..

Marijuana is safe. The Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) Administrative Law Judge, Francis L. Young stated in his 1988 ruling, "Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known.

Marijuana can be used to treat a variety of conditions. Approved by approved voter initiative in 1998, the Oregon Medical Marijuana Act allows for the use of marijuana to treat cancer, glaucoma, AIDS/HIV, cachexia, severe pain, severe nausea, seizures (epilepsy), and persistent muscle spasms (Multiple Sclerosis). Currently, more than 300 Oregon physicians participate in this program.

Marijuana is not a "gateway" drug. According to the National Academy of Sciences Institute of Medicine, "There is no evidence that marijuana serves as a stepping stone [to other drugs of abuse] on the basis of its particular physiological effect...It does not appear to be a gateway drug to the extent that it is the cause or even that it is the most significant predictor of serious drug abuse." Source: Joy, Janet E., Stanley J. Watson, Jr., and John A. Benson, Jr. Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base for the Division of Neuroscience and Behavioral Research, Institute of Medicine. (Washington DC: National Academy Press, 1999), Chapter 3, pp. 98-100.

Medical groups support marijuana. Numerous prestigious medical organizations support access to medical marijuana. These include American Academy of Family Physicians, American Preventive Medical Association, American Public Health Association, American Society of Addiction Medicine, Lymphoma Foundation of America, National Association of People with AIDS, National Women's Health Network, and the New England Journal of Medicine.

marco25

07-01-2004, 11:09 AM

Brian, I've been reading your posts about the benefits of marijuana for quite a while now and have never responded. Also, reading about and listening to members describe their suffering has finally penetrated a very stubborn, fossilized portion of my brain.

I don't suffer with chronic pain, but I've suffered with pain for various reasons at different times in my life. Never once did I consider using marijuana. It was illegal! It was what we did during our "young, wild" days. It was for democrats! LOL http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/images/smilies/tongue.gif

I had one surgeon tell me I was "a cheap drunk" meaning that it took the minimum anethesia to knock me out. Same with pain killers. I'm sure I'd be one of those who could easily OD without meaning to. Lortab, hydrocodone, percocet ... those drugs knock me on my butt, make hallucinate, have crazy dreams, and feel more like an inmate in an asylum. I hate them.

Your point that you can't OD on marijuana struck a nerve with me. Except for overeating, there really is no serious, life threatening side effect. It's natural! God put it on this earth, and I'm sure he had a good reason.

All that to say, brian, is you've convinced a once conservative republican that the legalization of marijuana is necessary in this country. It's ridiculous that tobacco, alcohol, etc. are legal and kills thousands every year. Marijuana just takes the pain away.

booster

07-01-2004, 11:21 AM

I am going to step off my normally conservative, anti-hippi platform.

We (America) have fallen behind the rest of our community when it comes to research involving extracts of THC. A big reason we have fallin behind is the Bible thumping ultra-conservative jackasses out there. Now I did not say the 'whole' reason, for those nit-pickers out there.

We need to allow it, just as we do a prescription drug. It needs to be medically controlled and taxed like other pharmaceuticals. This is to insure that it has a consistant purety, and that it would be accessable. We would make the insurance companies and Medicare/Medicade pay for it. This is the only forseable option!

Now back to my podium...

brian54806

07-01-2004, 11:38 AM

Original martha2

All that to say, brian, is you've convinced a once conservative republican that the legalization of marijuana is necessary in this country. It's ridiculous that tobacco, alcohol, etc. are legal and kills thousands every year. Marijuana just takes the pain away.

I really convinced someone http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif
I used to think pot was really really bad like the government said but from my own experiance and research I have learned they are liers, how can you trust them if they arrest sick and dieing people????? what else are they lying about?? Bush said before he was elected it was up to states to decide about it, then after he changed his mind.
I am not some stoned out of my mind hippie
using mmj when i need to improves my life, if Bush and his friends want me and others to suffer, I would say his higher power is Satan

marco25

07-01-2004, 12:01 PM

The Republican party is an interesting, complex organism. There was a time in my life when I was deeply entangled in it, almost consumed by it. So I got to see firsthand what's going on in there.

Like the Democratic party, the R's have its warring factions, connected mainly (and sometimes loosely) by philosophical and political principles. One of those factions would be corporate America, big money, lobbies (including tobacco, alcohol, firearms, etc.) country club members, etc. Lots of power. Then there are the ideologues, the politicos, the cut throats ... again, power is the name of the game.

Then there's the middle class, hard-working, church-going, struggling to keep marriage and family intact, over taxed taxpayer. Almost no power, except maybe in pure numbers ... and votes. They tend to be pro-life, pro-military, pro-law enforcement, almost paranoid (some actually are) about the further disintegration of morals, family, freedom, etc.

Just like with ESC research, which this group also strongly opposes, the legalization of marijuana would send them into utter hysteria. It's rooted in fear and misinformation, or lack thereof.

So combine the powerful lobbies of tobacco, alcohol, pharmacueticals, with this group ... start counting votes and campaign dollars, and Bush doesn't have a choice if he wants to be the R nominee.

I honestly believe these people, and I'm willing to give Bush the benefit of the doubt here too, in their heart believe and want to do the RIGHT thing. When you're not sure what the RIGHT thing is, you ask, "What is the law?" Well, the law is that mj is illegal. Aha! There's the answer then. No need to think about it anymore.

Until you start knowing and caring about suffering people for whom nothing else will work ... and they're risking jail because of it.

That was me. I've been in the unique position of experiencing all 3 of those factions of the Rs. I know a lot of these people well and think highly of most. Again, they're good people, but like ESC research, the facts about mj have been skewed to benefit the political powers that be. Yeah, it sucks. http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/images/smilies/frown.gif

brian54806

07-01-2004, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by martha2:

The Republican party is an interesting, complex organism. There was a time in my life when I was deeply entangled in it, almost consumed by it. So I got to see firsthand what's going on in there.

Like the Democratic party, the R's have its warring factions, connected mainly (and sometimes loosely) by philosophical and political principles. One of those factions would be corporate America, big money, lobbies (including tobacco, alcohol, firearms, etc.) country club members, etc. Lots of power. Then there are the ideologues, the politicos, the cut throats ... again, power is the name of the game.

Then there's the middle class, hard-working, church-going, struggling to keep marriage and family intact, over taxed taxpayer. Almost no power, except maybe in pure numbers ... and votes. They tend to be pro-life, pro-military, pro-law enforcement, almost paranoid (some actually are) about the further disintegration of morals, family, freedom, etc.

Just like with ESC research, which this group also strongly opposes, the legalization of marijuana would send them into utter hysteria. It's rooted in fear and misinformation, or lack thereof.

So combine the powerful lobbies of tobacco, alcohol, pharmacueticals, with this group ... start counting votes and campaign dollars, and Bush doesn't have a choice if he wants to be the R nominee.

I honestly believe these people, and I'm willing to give Bush the benefit of the doubt here too, in their heart believe and want to do the RIGHT thing. When you're not sure what the RIGHT thing is, you ask, "What is the law?" Well, the law is that mj is illegal. Aha! There's the answer then. No need to think about it anymore.

Until you start knowing and caring about suffering people for whom nothing else will work ... and they're risking jail because of it.

That was me. I've been in the unique position of experiencing all 3 of those factions of the Rs. I know a lot of these people well and think highly of most. Again, they're good people, but like ESC research, the facts about mj have been skewed to benefit the political powers that be. Yeah, it sucks. http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/images/smilies/frown.gif

Things are changing is like a pot revolution as of late,, another great article:
An End To Marijuana Prohibition

By Ethan A. Nadelmann
Source: National Review

Never before have so many Americans supported decriminalizing and even legalizing marijuana. Seventy-two percent say that for simple marijuana possession, people should not be incarcerated but fined: the generally accepted definition of "decriminalization." Even more Americans support making marijuana legal for medical purposes. Support for broader legalization ranges between 25 and 42 percent, depending on how one asks the question. Two of every five Americans-according to a 2003 Zogby poll-say "the government should treat marijuana more or less the same way it treats alcohol: It should regulate it, control it, tax it, and only make it illegal for children."

http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread19112.shtml

metronycguy

07-01-2004, 01:16 PM

Brian, marijuana does not work for a lot of the chronic people here, or the side effects are undesirable for daytime use, such as when working and doing activities of daily living.
i am definitely in support of marijuana legalization for pain. its ridiculous to let people suffer in pain when there is treatment available.
i have used it and it seemed to have worked quite well when i was awoken by pain, and this stuff is probably 8 years old!
however i would not want to have to smoke it during the day to relieve my pain, i dont like the associated buzz, and munchies!

brian54806

07-01-2004, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by metronycguy:

Brian, marijuana does not work for a lot of the chronic people here, or the side effects are undesirable for daytime use, such as when working and doing activities of daily living.
i am definitely in support of marijuana legalization for pain. its ridiculous to let people suffer in pain when there is treatment available.
i have used it and it seemed to have worked quite well when i was awoken by pain, and this stuff is probably 8 years old!
however i would not want to have to smoke it during the day to relieve my pain, i dont like the associated buzz, and munchies!

Well you should not use mmj before you drive a car or operate heavy machinery, just like most other heavy pain meds, if you are busy during the day you tend to keep your mind off the pain more, cuts my pain a little more then half, livable for me, and takes 2 or 3 days after using it for all the pain and spasms to come back.
I lived in a disabled 60 apt. building in the 80s in Mpls Mn. mostly sci. and I would say 60 percent of them used mmj.A couple of quads died from perscribed meds while I lived there. Also helps ALOT with depression , shhhhh dont tell the companys that make prozac and wellbrutrin,they will pour more money into keeping it illeagal.
I think another reason may be they dont want its cousin hemp to become legal. They say you can get better and 3 times the fuel from it then corn in the same space.
Why else would they keep saying the same old outright lies to keep it illegal?? Reefer Madness????

"When even one American who has done nothing wrong is forced by fear to shut his mind and close his mouth, then all Americans are in peril. "
- Harry S. Truman -

David Berg

07-01-2004, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by metronycguy:

Brian, marijuana does not work for a lot of the chronic people here, or the side effects are undesirable for daytime use....however i would not want to have to smoke it during the day to relieve my pain, i dont like the associated buzz, and munchies! I'm mot claiming to follow everything on the use and legalization of medical marijuana, but I definitely support its use for medical purposes. So many people get bent out of shape over beancounters in HMOs/insurance companies essentially practicing medicine by ruling what a doctor may or may not do for a patient. Some of these same people need to recognize that the govt is doing the exact same thing when it comes to medical marijuana.

Doctors are qualified to decide what benefits a patient MUCH more than some bureaucrat or legislator. And it drives me batty too when some nitwit claims that there's no evidence that marijuana has medical benefit. Bull!!!

Of course, one of the driving forces at work here is the drug companies that can't stand the thought of people growing their own meds. They might actually lose a fraction of a percent of their astronomical profits.

All sorts of "street drugs" have medical value, such as herion, and doctors should be allowed to have them in their arsenal to help patients.

imnomis

07-01-2004, 08:38 PM

metronycguy

Si took just one 25mg Elavil. It knocked him out from 10:30/11:00 p.m. until 2:00 p.m. the next day. He was extremely groggy when he finally pulled himself out of bed. He hates feeling drugged so he never tried another.

He really liked the acupuncture but I didn't feel that we could afford to keep having him go if it wasn't doing anything for him.

Do you use the Chinese herbs too. Si wasn't able to use those because he's on coumadin.

mrsnomis
(spouse of imnomis T-12 incomplete)

metronycguy

07-02-2004, 11:11 PM

i only took 10 mg once in awhile 20 mg of elavil in evening , it does male you sleepy. and since my pain is always worse at night, even 2am 3am, the sleep is a good thing, in fact the quality of my sleep is always recorded in my pain log, many nights i had to take extra meds at 3 am when the pain woke me out of my sleep. si could try 10 mg of elavil and see how that works, they sat the side effects dissipate in a week or so, however the sleepiness may stay, i had good success with 10mg, even tried 5 mg too.
i am using desiprmaine now at 25 mg , it s a tricylcic also, i have also tried nortriptyline too. i think elavil worked the best on the pain.

metronycguy

07-02-2004, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by David Berg:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by metronycguy:
Brian, marijuana does not work for a lot of the chronic people here, or the side effects are undesirable for daytime use....however i would not want to have to smoke it during the day to relieve my pain, i dont like the associated buzz, and munchies!

david . please its not right to quote me out of context like that
in my original statement i stated in the next line that i was in support of medical marijuane for pain. this editing of the middle of my statement, change the whole thought. i agree let the doctors prescribe heroin or whatever for pain.
myself i would rather be on neurontin than marijuana as far as mental capabilities and clarity and for ADL

metronycguy

07-02-2004, 11:29 PM

Well you should not use mmj before you drive a car or operate heavy machinery, just like most other heavy pain meds, if you are busy during the day you tend to keep your mind off the pain more, cuts my pain a little more then half, livable for me, and takes 2 or 3 days after using it for all the pain and spasms to come back.-[/QUOTE]
Brian what i am trying to say is everybody's pain is different , and so are our lives , i need to drive daily , and being busy did not lessen my pain, it was 24/7 . i guess i could have sat home and and taken percocet too , i would not have been able to drive with that either, and not try to lead a life,
but i found that other drug combinations such as tricylics and anti seizures let me lead a pretty normal pain free life with out all the mental confusion and buzz associated with mj . there are people that have pain during the day and have jobs they are trying to do well at, neurontin was a hindurance, but better than mj for work purposes

Princess "Leia"

07-03-2004, 07:21 AM

I agree with Metro, everyones pain is different and so are life styles which can dictate what meds are appropriate. It can take time, trial and error and adjustments in dosage to figure out what works for you.

Having said that though, I think MM should be allowed for health issues. I myself can't see using it daily because of the side effects I had from past experiances. I know I could not function normally. However, I would never dismiss it completly and still consider it an option in the back of my mind.

Imnomis, Elavil works well for me and I discovered after almost 5 years of different dosages that 10 mgs works best. 25 mgs may be way too much for your hubby but tricylcics seem to work well for many with chronic pain. Sleeping (which elavil produces)is such a big issue for those in pain too and without a proper nights sleep pain is worse for me the next day. Consult your doctor and see what he/she says. 10 mgs may do the trick.

Metro, how often would you have acupuncture for pain and how long would it last? Am considering this option as well.

Leia

brian54806

07-03-2004, 11:21 AM

metronycguy
I understand, I am just afraid of pills, to many people getting messed up from them and they upset my stomach
and you dont have to get stoned out of your mind like Princess "Leia" must have for mmj to work on pain.
can you have one beer or do you drink a 12 pack?
I never smoke up and drive or get on a tractor, like I said if i had a little the night before the pain is still cut in half the next day

Princess "Leia"

07-03-2004, 06:52 PM

Brian,

Do you realize many medications have different and adverse affects on people just as marijuana does? Many medications can also make big improvements on someone's life who suffer with chronic pain. Many people do not end up messed up from medications!

Please reread my post and do not rewrite what I have stated. Why is this such a common practice in the forums? You assumed way to much to say that I "had to get stoned out of my mind for marijuana to work on pain". I never said I had used marijuana for pain but that "I would not dismiss it completly and still consider it an option in the back of my mind". I have always tried to be open minded when it comes to my own chronic pain.

I could not fuction normally from side effects I had in past experiancesfrom marijuana(recreational use)which were extreme dizziness(not from being high)very poor balance and nausea/upset stomach. (Just like you say medications does to your stomach, upsetting it)These were the side effects for me and I could not funtion normally.

I don't drink so I can not answer you question about beer if it was intended for me.

Leia

whiterabbit11

07-04-2004, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by imnomis:

whiterabbit11

How scary for you. You've got to keep track of what you're taking if there is no one at home to track it with you. Just be careful!

Si felt like he had an overdose after taking just one Elavil. It put him out for over 15 hours and he had to force himself to get up at that. He hasn't taken another one since. I think it helped with the pain, but he prefers having the pain to losing himself.

By the way, I'm pretty dense sometimes. What is the charcoal all about?

mrsnomis
(spouse of imnomis T-12 incomplete)

mrsnomis,
I posted this in December 2002 and was really surprised to see it bumped so far up. It sat all by it's lonesome for a long time. I just got bored today and the pain is extreme so I clicked on the pain forum.I'm glad Si is okay. I've never heard of elavil.
I'm now on 200mcg's of fentanyl along with darvocet. xanax, vioxx and my baclofen pump.
It's not helping much.

I think forcefeeding activated charcoal has been a time tested treatment for toxic overdoses. It binds itself to chemicals and reduces the effect. Thank you for your concern.

I noted with interest the controversy over MM and IMO it should be legal and I'd be waiting in line if it suddenly became available. I'd use it now if I wasn't a prosecuting attorney. I'm also an old hippie, having 1st used the "killer weed" in Vietnam and in my college years thereafter and I believe it's a lot safer than the stuff I now take by prescription only. The fentanyl practically has to be delivered via armored cars.

Thanks again and best wishes to you and family. WR

whiterabbit11

07-04-2004, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by brian54806:

Thank God you cannot overdose from medical marijuana.and has never been a death from it recorded in the usa,1000 a yr die from asprin...you can control how much you need, if you do to much you will just clean out the fridge.
Old sci friends that have used pot insted of other meds are in alot better shape then people messed up from other meds over the years.
I would NEVER think of ever taking vicodin,xanax,darvocet,fentanyl,clonipen, ect,ect,ect it is crazy.

You would if your Blood Pressure was 240/100 something for 8-10 hrs straight and flopping around like a fish ut of water.WR

metronycguy

07-04-2004, 11:13 PM

QUOTE]Metro, how often would you have acupuncture for pain and how long would it last? Am considering this option as well.
Leia[/QUOTE]

have been going to acupuncture 2 x week or almost 3 years 2 years, my workers comp insurance pay for it. the last time i stopped for a about 8 weeks, my pain went through the roof,many percocets ,anti seizure meds. once i restarted with in a week my pain was back to a level that i could just use a tricyclic and 1 or 2 ultrams a day, no longer using anti seizure meds.
last week i brought in the research article posted to my acupuncturist, the research article showed the best freq and wave patterns for the electrical Stim, we;ll See what difference that makes.electroacupuncture (http://carecure.org/forum/showthread.php?t=23659)

brian54806

07-05-2004, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by whiterabbit11:

Originally posted by brian54806:
Thank God you cannot overdose from medical marijuana.and has never been a death from it recorded in the usa,1000 a yr die from asprin...you can control how much you need, if you do to much you will just clean out the fridge.
Old sci friends that have used pot insted of other meds are in alot better shape then people messed up from other meds over the years.
I would NEVER think of ever taking vicodin,xanax,darvocet,fentanyl,clonipen, ect,ect,ect it is crazy.

You would if your Blood Pressure was 240/100 something for 8-10 hrs straight and flopping around like a fish ut of water.WR

You take pain meds for high blood pressure?
you should take something to take care of your blood pressure.

brian54806

07-05-2004, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by Princess "Leia":

Brian,

Do you realize many medications have different and adverse affects on people just as marijuana does? Many medications can also make big improvements on someone's life who suffer with chronic pain. Many people do not end up messed up from medications!

Please reread my post and do not rewrite what I have stated. Why is this such a common practice in the forums? You assumed way to much to say that I "had to get stoned out of my mind for marijuana to work on pain". I never said I had used marijuana for pain but that "I would not dismiss it completly and still consider it an option in the back of my mind". I have always tried to be open minded when it comes to my own chronic pain.

I could not fuction normally from side effects I had in past experiancesfrom marijuana(recreational use)which were extreme dizziness(not from being high)very poor balance and nausea/upset stomach. (Just like you say medications does to your stomach, upsetting it)These were the side effects for me and I could not funtion normally.

I don't drink so I can not answer you question about beer if it was intended for me.

Leia

I understand ,, people do not rewrite what has been said, It is put up when u hit the reply to that post button

Princess "Leia"

07-05-2004, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by brian54806:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Princess "Leia":

Brian,

Do you realize many medications have different and adverse affects on people just as marijuana does? Many medications can also make big improvements on someone's life who suffer with chronic pain. Many people do not end up messed up from medications!

Please reread my post and do not rewrite what I have stated. Why is this such a common practice in the forums? You assumed way to much to say that I "had to get stoned out of my mind for marijuana to work on pain". I never said I had used marijuana for pain but that "I would not dismiss it completly and still consider it an option in the back of my mind". I have always tried to be open minded when it comes to my own chronic pain.

I could not fuction normally from side effects I had in past experiancesfrom marijuana(recreational use)which were extreme dizziness(not from being high)very poor balance and nausea/upset stomach. (Just like you say medications does to your stomach, upsetting it)These were the side effects for me and I could not funtion normally.

I don't drink so I can not answer you question about beer if it was intended for me.
Leia

I understand ,, people do not rewrite what has been said, It is put up when u hit the reply to that post button[/QUOTE Brian

Hey Brian,

My gosh, thanks for the explanation but I think what we have here is a "failure to communicate." http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/images/smilies/confused.gif I get the whole reply process.

Maybe I should have stated, do not take what I wrote out of context and reword/interprut it to mean something very different. I explained it above in paragraph two but from you reply above ya got it.

Ya know, it can be difficult to comminicate on the commputer, don't ya think. http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/images/smilies/confused.gif We miss inflection, tone ect and sometimes so much is miscommunicated. That's why I referred to about being rewritten,misquoted and how it seems to happen often on the forum. Some people get very upset by it which is understandable too.

Anyhow, just as long as you don't think I am a pot smoking, joint rolling, high out of my mind, crazy lady. http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif That was many moons ago. http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif In any case, we all are sort of in this crazy, pain game together trying to figure out what it's all about right?

Leia

[This message was edited by Princess "Leia" on 07-05-04 at 03:26 PM.]

whiterabbit11

07-05-2004, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by brian54806:

Originally posted by whiterabbit11:
Originally posted by brian54806:
Thank God you cannot overdose from medical marijuana.and has never been a death from it recorded in the usa,1000 a yr die from asprin...you can control how much you need, if you do to much you will just clean out the fridge.
Old sci friends that have used pot insted of other meds are in alot better shape then people messed up from other meds over the years.
I would NEVER think of ever taking vicodin,xanax,darvocet,fentanyl,clonipen, ect,ect,ect it is crazy.

You would if your Blood Pressure was 240/100 something for 8-10 hrs straight and flopping around like a fish ut of water.WR

You take pain meds for high blood pressure?
you should take something to take care of your blood pressure.

Where did you get your medical degree nature boy? They were prescribd by a neurologist because severe pain can causes high blood pressure to rise along with AD. Before that, my oral meds were followed up with 50mgsof I.V. Demerol. Did you think I made a run to the local head shop for the fentanyl because The neurologist just refused to roll a joint for me? Don't criticise others unless you've been in their shoes.WR

brian54806

07-05-2004, 05:20 PM

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[This message was edited by brian54806 on 07-05-04 at 07:31 PM.]

brian54806

07-05-2004, 05:26 PM

nyhow, just as long as you don't think I am a pot smoking, joint rolling, high out of my mind, crazy lady. That was many moons ago. In any case, we all are sort of in this crazy, pain game together trying to figure out what it's all about right?

Leia

I never thought u was a crazy burnt out lady sorry,, yes pain is another game we have to play

brian54806

07-05-2004, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by brian54806:

Originally posted by whiterabbit11:
Originally posted by brian54806:
Originally posted by whiterabbit11:
Originally posted by brian54806:
Thank God you cannot overdose from medical marijuana.and has never been a death from it recorded in the usa,1000 a yr die from asprin...you can control how much you need, if you do to much you will just clean out the fridge.
Old sci friends that have used pot insted of other meds are in alot better shape then people messed up from other meds over the years.
I would NEVER think of ever taking vicodin,xanax,darvocet,fentanyl,clonipen, ect,ect,ect it is crazy.

You would if your Blood Pressure was 240/100 something for 8-10 hrs straight and flopping around like a fish ut of water.WR

You take pain meds for high blood pressure?
you should take something to take care of your blood pressure.

Where did you get your medical degree nature boy? They were prescribd by a neurologist because severe pain can causes high blood pressure to rise along with AD. Before that, my oral meds were followed up with 50mgsof I.V. Demerol. Did you think I made a run to the local head shop for the fentanyl because The neurologist just refused to roll a joint for me? Don't criticise others unless you've been in their shoes.WR

Calm down,, think about your blood pressure
find someone else to take it out on
2 neurologist I have had said mmj works,Was just giving my opinion while you still can in this country, Im not that much of a nature boy, more of a gearhead,, 80s head banger type.

whiterabbit11

07-05-2004, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by brian54806:

Originally posted by brian54806:
Originally posted by whiterabbit11:
Originally posted by brian54806:
Originally posted by whiterabbit11:
Originally posted by brian54806:
Thank God you cannot overdose from medical marijuana.and has never been a death from it recorded in the usa,1000 a yr die from asprin...you can control how much you need, if you do to much you will just clean out the fridge.
Old sci friends that have used pot insted of other meds are in alot better shape then people messed up from other meds over the years.
I would NEVER think of ever taking vicodin,xanax,darvocet,fentanyl,clonipen, ect,ect,ect it is crazy.

You would if your Blood Pressure was 240/100 something for 8-10 hrs straight and flopping around like a fish ut of water.WR

You take pain meds for high blood pressure?
you should take something to take care of your blood pressure.

Where did you get your medical degree nature boy? They were prescribd by a neurologist because severe pain can causes high blood pressure to rise along with AD. Before that, my oral meds were followed up with 50mgsof I.V. Demerol. Did you think I made a run to the local head shop for the fentanyl because The neurologist just refused to roll a joint for me? Don't criticise others unless you've been in their shoes.WR

Calm down,, think about your blood pressure
find someone else to take it out on
2 neurologist I have had said mmj works,Was just giving my opinion while you still can in this country, Im not that much of a nature boy, more of a gearhead,, 80s head banger type.

Brian,
Brian,
My BP is fine and I'm not sure what it is that I'm taking out on you. I just don't think others should say they would "NEVER" do something when they haven't been in the same boat implying they are somehow more able to tolerate the pain than others.

Also, if you would have read my other reply in this thread you'd know I support mm for pain. I also believe that any M/J is much less toxic than Darvocet, fentanyl etc.I doubt if it would have done much for me at the time and it certainly wouldn't help my career as a prosecuting atty.WR.
WR

imnomis

07-05-2004, 10:34 PM

Whiterabbit11 - Simon's rehab doctor prescribed Elavil. He said it was the drug that they prescribed before Neurontin was available.

The posts on Neurontin have me confused. Some posts say it leads to confusion but Si currently takes 900mg four times a day and is 100% himself mentally. The only time he got confused was when he was put on Klonopin. He quit taking it after less than a week because he couldn't remember anything, including stuff that had just happened.

Thank you for the explanation on charcoal.

mrsnomis
(spouse of imnomis, T-12 incomplete

[This message was edited by imnomis on 07-06-04 at 12:47 AM.]

imnomis

07-05-2004, 10:44 PM

Princess "Leia"

What are tricylcics? None of Si's doctors have mentioned that one to us. I tried looking it up at 365wellst.com and webmd.com but couldn't find anything.

mrsnomis
(spouse of imnomis, T-12 incomplete)

metronycguy

07-06-2004, 06:00 AM

tricyclics, elavil is a tricyclic anti depressants. tricyclics at low doses work well with nerve pain on many

dejerine

07-06-2004, 09:17 AM

White rabbit, I am fascinated that you are a prosecuting attorney. Congratulations for having a career in the face of your pain. Also, it quite interesting that pain meds help your blood pressure. I am trying to compile some stuff on pain and high BP. I completely agree with your doc, but am having trouble finding sources which show both the systolic and diastolic are elevated. Would it be alright to know how to get in touch with your neurologist? I would like to ask for a reference in the literature.

imnomis

07-06-2004, 04:42 PM

Metronycguy

Thank you for the definition of tricyclics. Funny how an anti depressant could make someone depressed about being confused. It's a good guess that he won't be trying that pill again.

mrsnomis
(spouse of imnomis)

whiterabbit11

07-06-2004, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by dejerine:

White rabbit, I am fascinated that you are a prosecuting attorney. Congratulations for having a career in the face of your pain. Also, it quite interesting that pain meds help your blood pressure. I am trying to compile some stuff on pain and high BP. I completely agree with your doc, but am having trouble finding sources which show both the systolic and diastolic are elevated. Would it be alright to know how to get in touch with your neurologist? I would like to ask for a reference in the literature.

dejerine,
Most of my high BP problems atthe time were from A.D. so I don't know if it would be that relevant although I had regular pain too which my Dr said raised BP. I was on more drugs than I mentioned. I was having uncontrollable muscle spasms causing me to be sort of like Linda Blair in "The Exorcist" if you saw it.I did everything but levitate. Th BP was 260/???? at it's worst but normally a big hit of IV Demerol would knock it back to normal. Morphine, Dilaudid did no good at all. He told me it was normal for BP to shoot up with severe pain.Like most quads (C-7) my normal BP is low.
A neurosurgeon installed my Baclofen pump and he left a neurologist in charge of refueling the pump.The surgeon is gone but I'll give you the Drs. name in charge of my pump if you PM me.
I fought the spasms for 14 months until I found a doc who knew a pump was what I needed.WR

dejerine

07-07-2004, 08:29 AM

Whiterabbit.
Thanks for laying a foundation, so to speak, about the high BP. It is sad to read, but helpful. The literature seems to prefer nice clean reportable matters. The autonomic dysfunction, the pain, the muscle activity, and the cord injury raise many considerations. Once the number of variables reaches a certain point, it seems the literature doesn't deal with it very well. The episodic nature of your high blood pressure has me wondering what mechanisms are at work. If I become smart enough to ask the right questions, I will raise the issue again. Thanks.

joyt

07-07-2004, 11:30 AM

oh, in the name of heaven! http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

john, i popped up your post simply so i could say "hi"...i didn't realize that it was from 2002 http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/images/smilies/redface.gif ...i'm so sorry http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/images/smilies/frown.gif ...i have no idea why it went south after my reply http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/images/smilies/confused.gif ...his was the third reply! http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif wad! http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/images/smilies/eek.gif http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif

love u, alice http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif

joy
"You've got to learn to love the little things in life in order to be happy, like a sip of whiskey in the evening or a beautiful morning sunrise."
~Gus McRae, "Lonesome Dove"

whiterabbit11

07-07-2004, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by joyt:

oh, in the name of heaven! http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

john, i popped up your post simply so i could say "hi"...i didn't realize that it was from _2002_ http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/images/smilies/redface.gif ...i'm so sorry http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/images/smilies/frown.gif ...i have no idea why it went south after my reply http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/images/smilies/confused.gif ...his was the third reply! http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif wad! http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/images/smilies/eek.gif http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif

love u, alice http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif

joy
"You've got to learn to love the little things in life in order to be happy, like a sip of whiskey in the evening or a beautiful morning sunrise."
~Gus McRae, "Lonesome Dove"
Joy, I'm glad you bumped it. I waited a year and a 1/2 for somebody to see it!Now it's in the40's. Hell, Brian's not so bad I enjoy a little difference of opinion and anybody who thinks we should legalize M/J is okay in my opinion.I was in a crappy mood that day anyway.Bye Alice. WR

metronycguy

07-07-2004, 10:07 PM

Originally posted by imnomis:

Metronycguy

Thank you for the definition of tricyclics. Funny how an anti depressant could make someone depressed about being confused. It's a good guess that he won't be trying that pill again.

mrsnomis
(spouse of imnomis)

i would give the 10 mg in evening a try , the 25 mg may have been way to much. i had good results with 10mg, when really bad pain took 20mg. but usually only 10mg worked well with neurontin., it really works very well , and the confusion sleepiness will be quite a bit less.
it has very good pain relieving properties for a lot of people,

brian54806

07-08-2004, 08:00 AM

Hell, Brian's not so bad I enjoy a little difference of opinion and anybody who thinks we should legalize M/J is okay in my opinion.
Originally posted by whiterabbit11:

Your not so bad yourself, congrats on your career, Im just a dumb farmer that bust his ass for little money and not much respect from the city people. I guess I should have kept my mouth shut, The world already labels me a wheelchair person, I dont need to be labeled a pothead by wheelchair people.
If people want to take man made FDA drugs that have been around 5 or 10 years that kill thousands every year then a herb made by God that has been used safely for 5000 years with no deaths so be it.
Next time ya take a bite of your hamburger think of me , could be from one of my cows that drank from the crick I pissed in.
B

"Cannabis can be used on an episodic but continual basis without evidence of social or psychic dysfunction. In many users the term dependence with its obvious connotations, probably is mis-applied... The chief opposition to the drug rests on a moral and political, and not toxicologic, foundation " The USA Merck Manual of Diagnosis and Therapy 1987

joyt

07-08-2004, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by whiterabbit11:

Joy, I'm glad you bumped it. I waited a year and a 1/2 for somebody to see it!Now it's in the40's. Hell, Brian's not so bad I enjoy a little difference of opinion and anybody who thinks we should legalize M/J is okay in my opinion.I was in a crappy mood that day anyway.Bye Alice. WR
u mean marijuana's not legal?!? http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/images/smilies/eek.gif oops! http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif
call alice...

joy
"You've got to learn to love the little things in life in order to be happy, like a sip of whiskey in the evening or a beautiful morning sunrise."
~Gus McRae, "Lonesome Dove"

Princess "Leia"

07-09-2004, 06:11 AM

Mrsnomis, I agree with Metro, try 10 mgs of elavil at night, it works well for me too,I sleep like a baby. 25 is alot and can knock you out. Neurontin works well also and did for me but each dosage increase packed on 5 lbs for myself. I weaned myself off ot it and have chose to not take it. It can take time to regulate a medication and your doctor should help you.

Metro, thanks for the acupuncture advice. I am currently lookng into it locally and want to give it a try.

Brian, I appreciate farmers. My Dad was raised on a farm and I spent my summers there, where I learned so much. I hate labels too or any sort of preconceived ideas, thoughts or notions about people.

My blood pressure was always ,very,very low. It is now high and the doctors attribute this to CP.

Leia