05-11-2003, 05:45 AM
• Ozgirgin ON, Ozcelik T and Sevimli NK (2003). Auditory brain stem responses in the detection of brain death. Kulak Burun Bogaz Ihtis Derg 10:1-7. Summary: OBJECTIVES: We evaluated comatose patients by auditory brain stem responses (ABR) to determine the role of ABR in the diagnosis of impending brain death. PATIENTS AND METHODS: Sixty comatose patients in the intensive care unit were evaluated by brain stem evoked response audiometry. Correlations were sought between the absence or presence of ABRs and the presenting pathology, the Glasgow Coma Scale (GCS) scores, and ultimate diagnoses. RESULTS: The brain stem responses were totally absent in 41 patients. Presence of wave I could be obtained in only 10 patients. All the waveforms were found in nine patients; however, in eight patients the potentials disappeared as the GCS scores decreased to 3. Detection of wave I alone strongly suggested dysfunction of the brain stem. However, loss of wave I particularly in trauma patients aroused doubt as to whether the absence was associated with auditory end organ injury or brain stem dysfunction. CONCLUSION: The results suggest that evaluation of ABR may support brain death in a comatose patient (i) when wave I is present alone, (ii) the absence of wave I is accompanied by a documented auditory end organ injury, or (iii) when previously recorded potentials are no longer detectable. Department of Otolaryngology, Medicine Faculty of Baskent University, Bahcelievler, Ankara, Turkey. email@example.com
I don't know, if this is bright at all.
And don't know how to do checkers for auditory or first emotion generator.
But I just thought, if one could find three, who could try independent checkers for brain stem, self and first emotion generator,
and train them to discern dead from alive (if not already sensing in the starts),
one might simply stick them three to it. Particularily in case of doubt.
If they independently all three judge DEAD,
or all three say, is alive,
or all say, brain stem partially damaged, but self and first emotion generator still alive,
might be less difficult to think on,
than if 1 were to judge this, and 2 this.
But if it are three quite good in such,
and tend to independently land with the same results for persons,
might be sorts of indicative.
BTW, I register the self of someone still after death,
unless burned, so feinstoffliche cohesions are destroyed.
But I don't recall from any dead ever registering first emotion generator emotions.
Maybe they are so hardware activitity depending (like transmitter/hormones?) that the stopping of synapse activities is causing this.
With brain stem I don't know.
Might find it a bit scary as an idea, to try to translink there with a dead one.
I mean, that seems pretty important systems controls in there.
Ain't sure, how much could get disturbed there.
If not at considering in some cultures, to shut down life support, I recommend strongly against brain stem interlinks.
If not dead, there might be something important disturbed in sorts of precarious stages.
If interphasing, and it's registered, is alive, with persons not long yet in coma,
I strongly recommend against attempts to fire up brain stem and the self towards waking up.
Even with someone long in coma, it might be considered if this is bright.
I mentioned the story elsewhere of one of Voodoo having done some resurrection, getting someone dead back to life,
and her then so brain damaged, to not be able to care for herself, and land in some sort of institution.
In some cases, might be considered, if to leave it as natural, might not be better.
Quite apart from this, brain stem magically can be reached various ways.
One is shoulder, over into upper spine, upwards and in.
Another is from a "limbically" centered self to into brain stem.
As mentioned, it might be highly recommeded against it. But if out for some waking up attempt with someone, I assume to try settings for this, might have better chances,
than just a spine upwards one into brain stem.
One of the highest chances I suspect to be, if trying for the command centrals brain stem & thalamus & self.
If trying to fire up activities in all three, might be higher chances, than just trying for one of these.
(Not, that with my rather limited parallel processing capacities as with MBD, I'm sure how to do for these three parallel even with someone alive. For me can be already difficult, two parallel.)
I assume, quite a number of persons on Earth could do some brain stem interlinks, if that were, what they are really out for.
With the self I'm not so sure.
Thalamus seems mostly not much discussed here.
Not sure, if it'd be more difficult or less difficult than for the self, to find some who might be able too.
With the self, I'm not sure, if with all persons it's located the same as with me.
I met some, where I started to wonder.
With most people I went akasha surfing with, and tried for equivalent to mine, went OK, but I had a case of someone ways more body-centered, where although there was no off-shielding registered, I had problems to get there.
This was on shrooms, not LSD; though might be just, that with shrooms is so much more difficult, it was just that.
However I doubt, it was just that.
One once said about my tunings with someone,
in German alike: She is body-centered, and it is wrong of you, to tune for her so head centered.
You are head centered. She's body centered.
I met several in my life, who told me to be body-centered.
The one, where I did not get log for equivalent to my self central position, once mentioned something, that sounded alike he is centered alike way down the spine also.
I am not too sure how it is with such, if there are developmental differences between us genelines in such, that not all of us are centered alike me in the head.
I mean, I haven't heard of one with SCI yet, being centered in the body.
So it might be taken from this, that the centering of the self is primarily in the head.
However, if there might not be some systems differences, that it is not with all the same centering, I'd rather not bet on currently.
I first assumed, it must be with all us mammals, as with me.
But I have been shifting my central perception at times in the past towards other central sites.
So sorts of, my home base in the brain, I know, I can shift my central perception to be centering elsewhere.
I am not too sure how this is with others, if there might existing some, where where my home base is in the brain, is there not theirs,
but some other region(s) where the self can be also centering central perception.
Or if it is with all of us kinds and individuals who have such brain systems,
the same home base location,
and just some of the others, are not MBD like me, and not educated so head centered and often body signals neglecting and alike more body segregative,
and is alike them are just more connected,
and therefore not as centered regionally local, but alike in extension logs internally alike more distributed?
But I assume this is more something to somewhen maybe discuss with other LSDlers.
So far I find LSDlers to highscore in self perception.
Or at least, from shroomers, those of magic, neuro, Reiki, Voodoo, Sufi, Fulbe Marabout and others, I have not noticed self perceivers yet, while among acidheads various.
Seems particularily some of the brain damaged, who brain research on LSD, seem with by brain damages already higher segregative systems stages, with the additional segregative whatevers of LSD on top,
like higher potentials for segregative stages till starting to discern between own self and various other systems in the head more.
Anyway, seems more something to maybe discuss with some other LSDlers somewhen.
(A neuro might seem likely, to either be headblind and not care, or be headblind and try instead of his own head, to commit crimes into heads of others.
I therefore generally tend to leave out I central specifications on the net also.)
The point here was more, instead of trying via auditory, why not brain stem - brain stem interlinks direct.
Hm, since I stopped to take this site serious quite a while ago, and today after some disupte with Pat in particular,
why heed this site's unspoken taboos.
I just thought, if person's crafted in necromatic head energies interlinks with dead, might not have partially interesting dx potentials.
Necromancy might be partially alike swiped under the table, as maybe here one might find the proverb:"Die Toten soll man ruhen lassen."
(The dead shall one rest let.)
Hm, maybe not well expressed.
Just meaning, even if someone was into necromantic magic once, and decided for, to with exceptions maybe stop such,
one might not necessarily hear that fast of that person.
Necromancy might be tabooed out, even within Magie quite far.
I mean, not necessarily like another in Magie trying to tell one, ey, this is taboo.
More alike, that persons who are into Magie to an extent, even they had quite a while with something to do in their past, that by some might have been called Necromancy, or necromatic magic, they might be in no particular hurry to talk about this.
One might have chatted with someone into magic to an extent for over a year, and in that time never heard, he was somewhen in his life quite a bit to do with such.
This might not be exactly comparible, but maybe alike, if a guy in his teens had petting games with another guy, and is later more into women, one might not hear from this guy in years about it. Or at least, if the society around is more contra than pro such.
I didn't even think in the start for dx purposes, of people who are, or have been, massively into feinstoffliche interlinks with dead.
If one were to take, what might be average sense censored Westie "science" opinion,
necromancy is not to exist.
If one were to take, what might be average church people opinion,
necromancy is not to exist.
I assume, according to quite some other people's opinions, simplified, also,
necromancy is not to exist.
Even within Magie, it might go about telepathy with alive and empathy, telekinetics, spirit travel, herealands what I might call matech (juncture of magic & technology), magic arts from dreaming stages, hand healing, precognition and trans-time interlinks, cloud magic, yaddayadda, but about necromancy one might hear in a long time no word.
Same if opening a book to do with Magie.
Like tabooed out to an extent even within Magie.
Seemed "Stratman" criticized me between lines to go for the easier way of just making Blabla.
Why not some Blabla for a change about such usually tabooed out stuff.
I don't exclude, some might be slighly surprised, if checking among persons into energetic translinks with others over many years or various decades,
what the number of those asked is, who had interlinks with dead.
The issue might often not be talked about just like this, but per se I assume there is quite a number.
The causes might be differing why. That friends or relatives died. Or that there were interlinks with someone spooking about.
Or curiosity, about how it is to be dead.
Or access interest to the low energy ranges enabled by interlinks with feinstoffliche energies of dead's low energetic levels.
And with this differing perception capacities.
Or sorts of magic vampire relations. That the dead gets more life energetic infeed, and might have advantages of this. And that the alive learns more about how to do such, and be better able when later dead, to interlink for such.
And is willing to go for the hard strains on systems in feinstoffliche energetic interlinks with energies of a dead's decaying systems for this to some extent.
Or that it was in younger time, when plain out for the weird sensations, it might cause to interlink with energetic systems of dead.
Whatever the causes, the systems of those who practiced it till head akasha interlinks with dead, might have alike quite some resistence to systems disturbance or maybe even damages caused by such.
And quite some experiences, to tune down to the low energy ranges, of dead, who might be far more decayed in systems stages, than someone still on life support in some hospital.
A question might be, if they have never interlinked into energies of someone in coma before, how they'd fare with that.
With a dead stranger, the person might not necessarily have cared about softness in interlinks. With an alive experience magic trainings partner, this one might be used to an extent to new ones to magic inconsiderately blundering up to slight systems damages into systems.
And two experience crafted in magic, might just sorts of hammer about energies between each other and elsewhere,
with power levels, that systems of a new one might be exhausted within minutes, if even able to co along with such, while them might go over quite some times sorts of broadband tuning around.
With someone in coma with highly damaged brain systems, maybe between life and death,
there might be a considerable risk, particularily if not careful enough.
Energy levels there might be so low, that it might be questionable, if someone even crafted in necromatic magic,
who is however used to the vast differences between vitally alive,
and low energied partially months dead,
could for sure discern, what this there is with the one in coma.
As this seem likely neither the vital alive,
nor the sorts of rather decohesive longer dead ones
energies in registration.
(Hm, just noticed several word swaps. But I'm too lazy to check the text for them.
Doubt, it's gonna be taken particularily serious in the first place.
And I'm more at thoughts playing around.)
So it might be questionable, health risks of still alive in coma aside,
how accurate the judgement would be.
If the low energies of someone in coma might be mistaken for dead.
Or if someone dead had shifted to spirit activities, with life support systems unnaturally keeping systems from death, maybe being ways more active than would be with a natural dead,
if this might be mistaken for still alive.
With brain stem targetted logs, though this might be less something for those into necromatic magic in general, and more something for persons into brain stem magic interlinks,
I'm not sure, if in coma there might be special shut down stages there somewhere.
I mean, with a life awake one, I might expect, if I were to tune up the spine (C SCI now aside), that it goes all the way up till into lower brain stem, and from there into higher brain stem.
With someone in some weird coma stage, even if getting the shift in there, and it's disrupted in some area in a weird way,
I'm not sure, if I'd know the difference, between, ain't go upshiftable as common, because there's something destroyed there,
because there's something dead in there,
or because there's some weird partial shut-down special stage between systems maybe?
(I'm not particularily crafted in brain stem magic in the first place.
Over the years, I guess there were various dozen persons, where I generated some logs between our brain stems partially for some experimental games. But I have been distrusting such quite long, and ways longer than the first year into brain magic, regarded it more alike set taboo for me, as I was afraid, if making errors there, might have some ways worse outcome, than if being quite sloppy with some seeming usually sorts of quite flexible region as back occipital cortex not vital as brain stem.
I lost inhibitions later more, when I tried with various, and didn't produce some accidental half knock out.
But I think before I got interested more in C SCI, brain stem logs with others were sorts of more sporadic. And when I got interested in C SCI, it shot me off my spinal balances even just over pic games so badly, that I got quite hesitant to tune around with others direct. And just some pic game stuff, can be regarded alike mono one-sided, even if getting oneself something in over pic recorded akasha somehow.
So simplified this might not be regarded to count, as irregardless what errors I make in settings, might hit off my brain base out of balances, but ain't hit the other person whose pic it is thousands of km away, if it's just some game here with a pic.
So this ain't really count for danger potentials stuff.
Guess the highest I started to systematically aim in my brain stem in weird games, was to do with CR games. Plain, because above C1 SCI there for me come io SCI, and then brain base, or what the neuros might call brain stem. Or to be more specific, there maybe medulla.
And then there were some weird ones, after this breathing "discussion" with WY, getting on his nerves for some pic, and couldn't make much use of the pic, that more confused me, but there was something about the tongue and breathing stuff in context with brain stem, which seemed quite useful for some internal orientation.
And then somewhen on some drug mix, think LSD and speed, when I started processing about this bypasser concept temporarily about CRs systems,
that might have been one of the most subsystems specified internal brain stem aimings for some regions in my life I ever did there.
Anyway, over CR pic games, it got to quite a load of brain stem experiments here,
but since simplified whole loads there can be regarded one-sided stuff, and not coma correlated, I'd not now call this alike some very useful expertise to speculate around brain stem energetic interlinks with people in coma.)
I'm also not exactly sure, how to train for interlinks with brain stem with people in coma.
I mean, just let someone try with some volunteer in deep sleep first over several weeks a bunch of nights?
Or just sort of plant him in front of several in coma, here you go.
And if he after some tunings into the first goes "oops!", just hope, that this was not something seriously bad,
into systems maybe between life and death?
I'm used to tune around using magic potentials altering drugs, so that seems sorts of differing and in a way partially quite unnatural powers enabled that way.
So maybe is not this comparible. But I've half knocked on some people accidentally.
I have no idea what'd happen, if causing alike an accidental half knock out in potentials into someone already in coma between life and death.
And in case there's studies about this, I've never heard about them.
If it were for sense censored Westie science, the entire art of brain magic probably were to not exist.
Including sporadically accidentally brain magically half knocking someone out.
Not alike, one could go to the next Westie university, branch brain magic, and visit some course on the potential dangers, and studies about such, context brain stem magic.
And I somehow doubt, persons in coma, who never gave assent to such in the first place, would be exactly the for systems security best suited test humans for someone new to such, trying to experiment around, if via some brain stem interlinks it could be found out, if logs with the brain stem seem suspiciously like brain death over there occurred, or not at all so.
I'm not really sure how to practice such.
I guess, if it's in cultures, where they consider shut off, of life support, after a longer time, anways, and it's before shut-off being planned, if nothing indicates chances likely this one is gonna wake up again, it might not matter this much.
I mean, if they gonna shut off, anyway, if it's not done,
and before that it's done, so what.
But in case shut-off of life-support is not in planning there,
might be better avoid such?
I'm not sure.
I've never tuned into someone in coma so far.
And all in all not my problem, either now. I was more at thought games.