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Wise Young
09-01-2003, 01:00 AM
Hi,
Everybody I am writing to all of you from Turkiye. I am brother of a SCI patient (age 34), the accident has been happened in 07.31.2003 while jumping to sea. The level of injury is from including C2 to C6 including C6. He had several problems like breathing problems he was connected to ventilator but for last 4 days he had give up ventilator and breathe by his own. he also had sense and movement in his shoulder. According to our Doctors information the most important part of injury is in C5 level. And also they said it is too early to categorized my brothers injury according to ASIA Categorization also we did not know whether he is complete or incomplete (I have to say that I did not know the meaning of incomplete and complete) all for now what I know is only he had no cut off but severe damage in his Spinal Cord. Why I am writing to you this is I did not know what to do. Please can you give me informations and advises to me what to do. Should I expect too much about my brothers recovery. Can he walk again. It is very hard for me to write this kind of message, but I am in a very terrible condition and very unhappy.
Sorry for my English but please I am waiting for quick responses you can also send me your e-mails to the below addresse.
koray.abaci@btc.com.tr
Thank you very much....

mka,

I am sorry to hear of your brother but am glad to hear that he has regained independent respiration.

He is one month after injury and the ASIA Classification should have been ascertained within 72 hours. The difference between ASIA A and the other categories is the presence of anal sensation and voluntary anal sphincter contraction. This can be determined by anybody, including you.

While an ASIA A classification suggests a severe injury, I want to caution you, however, that none of the classifications can predict recovery or lack of recovery with greater than 80% accuracy. For this reason, I believe the classification of patients should not change the therapy that your brother receives.

I hope that your brother received a drug called methylprednisolone (30 mg/kg bolus followed by 5.4 mg/kg for 23 hours) started within 8 hours after injury. This treatment has been reported to improve the recovery of function by about 20%. If he did not get it, there is nothing that you can do about it and there are some doctors who believe that this drug is not helpful.

I assume that your brother had surgery decompressing his spinal cord (ensuring that there is no further compression). The neurosurgeons in Turkey are very good and I think that they are very aware of the need for early decompression.

Your brother should be getting intensive daily physical therapy. Now that he is off the respirator, he needs to be up in a chair part of the time during the day. If not, they need to begin putting him into progressively more vertical position. The reason is that complete bedrest leads to complications such as decubiti, urinary tract infections, and other problems.

There are several groups around the world that are beginning to put patients with spinal cord injury into intensive ambulatory training within months after spinal cord injury. The Balchrist
Rehabilitation Center in Zurich, for example, is one such place. They are doing this mostly for patients who are ASIA B or C, however. This is still experimental.

Your brother is too late to qualify for clinical trial on activated macrophage transplants that is being conducted in Israel and Brussels. That trial has a limit of 2 weeks. I don't think he would have qualified anyway because his spinal cord injury level is too high. Likewise, he is too late to qualify for the trial at Purdue University, assessing the effects of alternating electrical currents on the spinal cord within 2 weeks after injury.

Most of the other experimental therapies around the world are for chronic spinal cord injury. So, what he should focus on now is getting as much recovery as possible. Almost everybody recovers some function after spinal cord injury. He needs to maximize that recovery by engaging in intensive training. If he moves from a current C5 to C6 or even C7, this would make an enormous difference in his quality of life.

Recovery takes a long time. Especially in people with severe injuries, recovery may continue for as long as 2 year or more. Christopher Reeve, for example, is still getting some function back even though he is more than 7 years after injury.

There is much that your brother needs to learn about his body and how to take care of himself. If he stays at C5, he needs to learn how to communicate with a computer via voice-driven software because this will allow him to go into internet and communicate with people. There is a need to arrange his life, family, and house/apartment so that he can be accomodated.

I believe that there will be therapies that will restore function to people with spinal cord injury. Your brother should know that there are manys scientists and people who are working hard to make this happen. In the meantime, he must be disciplined for himself and his family, work hard to get as much functional recovery as possible.

Please feel free to ask further question. I am sure that others will offer their advice as well. Many people on this forum have had the experience of spinal cord injury.

Wise.

mka
09-01-2003, 01:38 AM
Mr.Wise,
I can not tell what I am feeling nowadays, You should know I can not think anythink.
3 days ago may be this may be a dream or image but He move his left leg toe. Firstfully I and his wife think this was only a reflection as our doctors said before but when it lead for a long time I mean the movement of his toe, we asked my brother what he is trying to do.
When we asked him this he answered us that he tries to move his left leg and try to change position of his leg.
Mr. Is this possible or was this only a reflection.
As you asked, my brother takes enough dosage of methylprednisolone (ı do not know the dosage) in the 5 th hour of his accident then at the end of the 6th hour they take him to decompresion surgery. The operation held by Dr. Said Naderi in İzmir Dokuz Eylül Hospital. Last we transport my brother to Ankara via plane. Now our Doctor is Prof.Dr.Yücel Kanpolat.
We still are not able to sit him to a chair while he had a leak of BOS (that is called in turkish) which is called Brain Spinal Cord liquid from his surgery cut. Becuase of this Doctors take him to another operation to stop the leak.
Mr. Wise can you also evaluate my brothers condition according to the above mention informations please.
Also I am a new user I do not know where to find your reply therefore can you also sen your reply to my e-mail account it would be very nice.
Thanks for your quick response and interest.
Looking for your hopefull news.
Best Regards..

Wise Young
09-01-2003, 02:22 AM
mka,

This site is actually the most reliable way to get a hold of me since I check this site more often than my own email, especially in the last few weeks because of the email worm/virus problem. Because thousands of people have my email address on their address books, I was deluged with literally hundreds of email with worms/viruses.

If you have something that you want to communicate with me privately, you can do so through the private topics feature of this site. I check my Private Topics every few days. In general, however, if the information is not too confidential, I prefer that it be in the Open Forum so that I can spend the time to write longer and better answers to questions. I will put my replies to you on this topic. You can also ask the site to notify you every time anybody posts to this (or any other topic). To do the Private Topics and Notification, go to the tab "My Space" and select Private Topics or Notification.

If your brother moved his left big toe voluntarily, that is great news. Sometimes, this may be a reflex. If he can consistently and voluntarily move the toe on command, this is indicative of recovery of motor function. If it is accompanied by ability to feel touch or pressure on this feet, this would indicate that he is getting function back. It sounds as if he is getting function back to me. Time will tell.

What you are referring to is cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) leak. This sometimes happen and he needs to lie down until the leak stops. If it has stopped, it would be important to try to get him up and moving around. It sounds like he is getting good care in the hospital.

We provide information about spinal cord injury here, not medical care. I am not here to evaluate the conditions of individuals but simply to provide information.

Wise.

mka
09-01-2003, 04:30 AM
Dear Mr.Wise,
May be I bore you too much with my questions. Sorry for this.
But 3 hours ago I was with my brother, when I was talking about his left toe I mean his left little 2 toes (that are in the left of his foot). Today my brothers wife and I touch my brothers left foot with kinfe gently, the 2 left little toes began to shake. When we did this my brother look to his foot, when we asked him that if he feels or not. unfortunately he does not feel anythink. Currently he does not have any anal sensation or voluntary anal sphincter contraction. I know it is hard to say but can my broder gain anal sensation or voluntary anal sphincter contraction later.
Best Regards,

Wise Young
09-01-2003, 02:33 PM
He is still relatively early after his spinal cord injury. I know many people who have continued to get feeling and movement back years after spinal cord injury. Perhaps the best known example is Christopher Reeve. He was probably the best documented "complete" high spinal cord injury case in history. He had a C1/2 injury with no motor or sensory function below the neck for many months. At about 2 years, he noticed that he could feel when suppositories were being inserted in his anus. He gradually recovered touch sensation in both arms and legs and currently can feel in about 3/4 of his body. At about 5 years after injury, he noticed that he could move his left index finger at will. He is even able to move his legs in a swimming pool. Of course, he needs to recover more but he exemplifies how recovery can continue.

Your brother has gotten off the ventilator which is a significant hurdle. He needs to now work on his biceps, his wrist extensors, and his triceps because regaining some function of each of these would make a big difference in his life. I hope that he continues to get segments back in the coming months.

On the other hand, it is really important that your brother and his family be prepared for a long period during which he will be paralyzed. While there are therapies that are now being tested in clinical trials, it may be some years before something that is truly effective will emerge. Your brother has a lot of do, to learn, and to organize. Life with spinal cord injury is very complex and difficult. He needs to merge hope and reality.

Wise.

betheny
09-02-2003, 05:38 PM
MKA-
I am very sorry to hear of your family's troubles. All of us on here have experience like this and would like to help. It sounds as though he is doing very well for such a new injury. Getting off the vent is a very big deal. Tell him to be sure to take care of his skin, eating lots of protein, rolling in bed every 2 hours, and relieving pressure when he is sitting up. Skin sores would slow down his progress. They are easier to prevent than to fix. When the spinal cord is injured it swells. It is hard to know what might happen with him when the swlling goes down. Has he moved his toe again? That was my first indication of a possible recovery. I was very fortunate and can now walk some. I'm c5-6 incomplete, 3 yrs. post accident. Dr. Young is right when he says your brother should work on his arms and hands. Lots of us can't walk, but I think life is much easier for those with hand function. Is your brother going to a rehab facility, like a hospital but they help you exercise, grow strong, learn how to take care of your body and life with these new problems? It would be most helpful for him to go somewhere like that. He has a lot to learn very fast in order to come through this as well as possible.

Your brother is lucky to have such a supportive family. Please ask us anything, we like to help. Good luck and don't forget to take proper care of your own health as well. Betheny


You'd better get a big gun 'cause I'm not dead yet."
---The Bad Examples

mka
09-02-2003, 10:35 PM
Dear Betheny,
I think I have to learn how to live with my brothers injury, this is a must I think. I have a little progress also, after the accident I have cried for almost 2 weeks. Nowadays I am fine. Thanks for your advices nurses did all what you say. But when I mean he moves his toe (left foot) we have to first touch under his foot with a sharp thing than the movement comes. I think my family and I sometimes act impatient, there is a long long road way to go together with my brother and when he look under his shoulders he have to see a strong brother who is craying him with hope of walking. Yes,today I promise myself that I will never give up hoping that one day my brother will walk again.
Betheny how long take your Spinal Cord swells goes down. And also my brother does not have a complete cut-off, this is also an advantage for my brother isn't it.

betheny
09-03-2003, 04:23 PM
MKA-
I think the swelling can take up to 6 months to go down. It seems to be a very long time! The fact that your brothers spinal cord is not cut in two may be a very good thing. That is what we call here an "incomplete" spinal cord injury. The recovery for incompletes is unpredictable; sometimes a person can recover a lot of motion and sensation, sometimes not. If he doesn't walk again anytime soon, he can still have a very happy life. I'm glad you've quit crying. I know this is hard. How are his hands? Betheny


You'd better get a big gun 'cause I'm not dead yet."
---The Bad Examples

mka
09-03-2003, 11:08 PM
Dear Betheny,
Thanks for your informations and interest. There is no feelings and movement in his hands. In his first days after the injury he was ready to do everythink to become well. but for last 2-3 days he began to lose his morale motivation. he always says I am tired, it is very hard than I was thinking.
When he says this I do not know to help my brother I just like to his face and told him that I know what your are feeling, but never forget your past 2 or 3 weeks from which events we passed. That is all what I said to my brother. He is lying on bed with pain and I am just telling him absurd and meaningless things. This hurts me too much...
PS: Sometimes I may not express my feelings or express them in very formal way, I wish in future I have the chance to write and tell my feelings in my original language to all of you.

Today I decided to my signature...
The only think that my brother have is hope, I will not let any body to take this from my brother except ALLAH...

betheny
09-04-2003, 06:18 PM
MKA-
I really like your new signature. It is a good strong statement. But your brother has much more than only hope-he also has you. The reality of a very difficult situation is probably setting in on your brother. Can you tell us more about his condition right now? Is he receiving range of motion exercises regularly, to keep his limbs limber? Eating well? I wonder if he needs entertainment. At that stage, I was in a room where I was the only person conscious. No TV. Books on tape and visits from family helped a lot. Is his pain being managed well? It would be good to try and prevent depression; he has a lot of battles to fight. I know what you mean when you say you can only say meaningless things. Sometimes it is less what you say and more important what you do. I'll pray for you both-Betheny


You'd better get a big gun 'cause I'm not dead yet."
---The Bad Examples

lilsister
09-04-2003, 07:18 PM
mka, you are doing the most important thing-being there for your brother! does your culture encourage you say i love you? if so, say it many times a day. tell him he is alive, that is important. impress that you will be there for him, if you plan too. learn all that the nurses do, and try doing it yourself with their assistance. it will reinforce that you are comfortable with you brother and give him impetus to learn. concentrating on small parts of the injury will not be so overwhelming. bring book and read to him, or just sit quietly will show your support. my brother was injured with a c-5 sci three years ago, and i have taken care of him since. touch is important. you sound very caring and good to him. sometimes your calmness will steady him. expect down days, but distraction with therapy helps. the future may seem overwheming to him, use short range goals that are acheivable and use his imput. i hope this helps, it's so hard for family too. much luck......debra

-Andrea-
10-08-2003, 02:11 PM
Eoer yourdima ihtiyacin olursa, lüften bana bilder. Sana yordim etmek beni mitlu eder. Buradaki arkadasim bona tercümede yardim edecek. Ok?

-Andrea