How bad of an idea is this?! Advice!

[mr_coffee]

I'm at an interesting point in my life where I basically achieved everything I wanted and now I'm just doing the daily grind. Same old same old. Gets rather boring after awhile.

My old roommate is moving out to move to Denver and my new roommate who is very into psychedelic drugs is an interesting creature. I actually envy him on how well he has balanced his life.

He is very smart (much smarter than me), also an engineer at Cisco, travels the world, seems to live the dream and yet has dropped acid around ~40 times which blows my mind. I usually associated people who used those types of drugs being very gross and a general waste to society.

He doesn't touch any type of drug such as cocaine or heroin but claims psychedelic drugs such as acid/shrooms have changed his outlook on life basically. Anytime he says he takes a psychedelic he finds a deeper meaning of life and enjoys life that much more even off the drug.

I've recently got into medical marijuana and LOVE IT. He actually reintroduced me to marijuana Having no pain, letting go of all that stress I built up, forgetting I'm even in a wheelchair is a pretty amazing feeling. I honestly have not been happier since my SCI which is sad to say but totally true.

Its strange though before when I was younger all my friends and my relatives (brother and cousins) would constantly smoke weed. I tried it a few times then said f that. The people I was surrounded by doing the weed were very lazy and unsuccessful people at the time. So I felt by doing that drug I would turn into them.

But now its different which inspired me to try it again. I'm surrounded by very successful people who actively use marijuana and its California where marijuana is basically legal. Well for me it is 100% legal with the medical card but even for people who don't have the medical card no one seems to care.

So now I'm thinking of trying psychedelics based on my roommates stories and his love of the drug. I asked him if he was addicted and he said not at all. I actually haven't seen him drop acid since I've been here. He says its not something you do every day or even every month.

He never forces any drugs or peer pressures but simply explains what it makes him feel. He also collected a ton of research on the drug and videos. He told me anytime you think you want to do the drug let me know and I'll show you some videos.

So am I insane? Why do I want to try a drug that I know is bad for my body but good for my spirit? I guess I'm at a point in my life where I want something different. I'm not unhappy just rather bored. He also told me to never take (acid/shrooms) if you are unhappy as it may cause a bad trip although he said he has never had a bad trip.

What are your thoughts? Has anyone here actually tried psychedelics and have had a negative feeling towards them afterward?

[Steven Edwards]

Cory, we had a member from Germany named Acid who tripped regularly and advocated it as a cure. Search for her posts (e.g., username Acid, keyword tuning) and it should help dissuade you.

I witnessed the effects of psychedelics on a friend in high school. One year she was attractive, intelligent, and very interesting; I was tempted to experiment. By the next year the drugs had robbed her of all her appeal.

I would urge caution.

[lynnifer]

I have absolutely zero experience in this area but just a word of caution: Boredom is a common reason given by addicts. I'd hate to see you lose or throw away all you've achieved. You really are remarkable, just the way you are.

[bob clark]

Hi Cory,

I tried shrooms once post SCI. My legs bounced around on the footrests for about 12 hours. Using all the strength I could muster (and my arms are strong) I couldn't get my legs to stop. That's one physical reaction you may encounter because you're a bit SCI'd. I'm a complete T-4 and that may make a difference. And maybe acid is different than shrooms in that regard.

Other than that I felt great.

One thing I never liked about shrooms or acid is how long it lasts. At least 12 hours and up to 18. Once you drop it you're committed! Make sure you have a full day to devote to it. Why can't cocaine last so long!?

The only other warning I can give ya is the possibility of a "bad trip". I had one while doing purple haze and it was like the freakin' "Twilight Zone". Very scary! :-)

It's not addictive as with opioids and cocaine. It's probably more like smoking pot... take it or leave it. At least for most people who smoke weed. It's not physically addictive I should say.

It seems like your friend who does it knows his stuff so would be a good person to do it with. Especially for your 1st time.

If you decide to do it... bon voyage.

Bob.

[alissa]

I have pre-sci experience...it is nothing less than 3rd eye opening. But beware, know youself well, there are demons everywhere...

post-sci, just shrooms...intense vibration, spasticity OFF THE CHARTS!!

I would never mess with Acid now...

[t8burst]

Dude, you are 24. If you have achieved all your goals, it is time to reevaluate what you want to do with your life. You aren't going to find fulfillment in drugs. I am not anti drug by any means, I think everything from heroin and cocaine to pot should be legal. Cisco is a nice job some someone right out of school, but I personally would be bored to tears working there. This bored with life is new attitude for you, have you considered it is a byproduct of your recent rediscovery of pot? Go back and read your posts for the last year, you can tell by your writing style and attitude when you started eating the nug brownies. You have SCI and your future depends on your brain, if I were you I wouldn't even be smoking pot much less dropping acid.

Last thing, then I will stop preaching. If you do decide to go down this path, DONT POST IT ON THE INTERNET. I google everyone I look to hire, as I am sure everyone does. You work in the silicon valley, so the people googling you will find your facebook page and find out what you post here. Posting your adventures whilst tripping will not be a plus when people are looking to hire you.

[LaMemChose]

Wow. I get the appeal of wanting to try it, Cory, especially given how your friend handles his life. He's described acid in very positive, mind expanding, life enhancing ways.

Steven had a good point about Acid. Reading those posts is sad because those were written by a person who seems to have a splintered mind.

A guy I knew growing up did acid at a party. He was never the same after that one trip. We never knew exactly what happened to Charlie, but it was as though his mind was broken after he dropped. He has had psychiatric care on and off since that weekend. Charlie is supposed to be on psych meds, but is not consistent with it.

Before he dropped it, he was a stellar student at a top notch, private uni. Now he cannot work, cannot attend school, can no longer think coherently, is confused and often out of touch with reality.

I suspect Charlie had a propensity for mental illness, was genetically programmed for it given the right traumas or stressors, but we will never know.

You don't seem as though you have anything indicating you'd become mentally unhinged. Neither did Charlie.

Cory, you're a brilliant, successful guy. If you are feeling bored with life, explore the world through travel, new sports, get into your art, whatever it is that blisses you the hell out. Figure out what your personal bliss is and do it with everything you've got.

BTW, I've no idea who will write in support of doing acid. However, before you listen to them, take a really good look at their lives and see if it is where you want to go, if they have the relationships and personality you want to have and if it is how you want to be.

Acid seems to break, literally trash and badly alter some individuals. You cannot know if you'll be one of the shattered ones until you do it. That would be one helluva bad way to live, to learn acid messed up your brilliant mind and you cannot get it back.

I suspect you'll try it given the guy lives with you and does it. If you do, just make sure you are as safe as you can be, are not in a crowd or in a situation where you could be physically harmed. Someone who is not dropping needs to be with you start to finish, no exceptions.

My hope is reading Acid's words will be enough for you to nix the idea.

[0xSquidy]

Before my accident I used to deal everyday in my job with people who were on drugs. All kinds of drugs, i've seen junkies of everything, consumers of everything, or "triers" of everything.

Can't tell you as a fact because everybody's different but I saw some gross shit man. Really fucked up shit, sad-ending stories due to drugs that they never saw it was going to end that way.
So i don't know, whatever your choice is, be careful.

[rdf]

Had a buddy named Rex who took some acid, and was never the same. His IQ plunged like 50 points. He died 15 or so years later, OD'd on Valiums and pain pills. Sittin' on the toilet.

I've taken many drugs, but never acid. I was afraid of it messing up my mind. And that was before I met Rex.

Don't do it, Cory.

[betheny]

The bad trips from which you never return are rare, but it happens. Like MEM, I've seen 1, a guy I went to school w/ since 3rd grade. Good looking, athletic, smart. His mommy makes one of us babysit him at class reunions. At least now he recognizes us...

It must be 1 in a thousand that happens to, but with an sci I'm inclined to warn you off it anyway. The spasms alone would be miserable imo.

It's a big jump from pot to lsd. Caution, glasshoppah.

[TJ-MN]

No matter the anecdotal experiences stated you will most likely follow your instincts here Cory. To voice Bob's last statement if you go ahead with this.. Bon Voyage. This type of drug is intended to twist your sense of perception obviously, but you might not like the reality....even after you "come down".

[flicka]

Corey, ask your friend about Salvia and if he's ever tried it. It's legal in California and can be purchased in head shops. After a couple of hideous experiences with drugs beyond pot, I know my mind isn't strong enough to handle anything heavy...I am seated on the side of paranoid as it is... :)

[Jim]

Stick with pot/hash.

[NorthQuad]

If you're bored of life now, how bored are you going to be after a good LSD trip? Back to reality... awwwww... let's get high again! WHAAAT?

[TJ-MN]

Back to reality... awwwww... let's get high again! WHAAAT?
Now I get to wipe the pepsi spray off my keyboard...thanks for the laugh.:thumb:

[LindaT]

I'll spare you the details of early 70's experience at a Grand Funk concert.......
Please don't do it Cory.

[MSWIFE1]

Just had two young teenage boys die from bad acid locally. Another is permanetly messed up. Please Please Please don't do it.

Had to edit this because as I posted it I noticed it was my 911th post. If that doesn't say something to you I don't know what does. Ironic???

[My395]

I'm 50. Never heard anyone say they tried acid and not leave a lot of brain cells behind. No personal experience myself though.

Might I suggest, if you are bored, head on over to Tahoe or Mammoth as soon as ski season starts. Sounds like you need a new hobby. Adrenaline might be a better drug to try.

[Buck503]

I love this thread. "I've accomplished my goals. Maybe I should
start hallucinating now."

Not to scare you out of it MrCoffee because you're mellow
enough to handle it, but I knew a girl who jumped off of an
overpass and died during an acid trip.

[mr_coffee]

If you're bored of life now, how bored are you going to be after a good LSD trip? Back to reality... awwwww... let's get high again! WHAAAT?

haha its funny you said this because this is exactly what I told my friend. I was like wait, if the happiest moment of your life was when you were on MDMA how do you enjoy life when you're not OUT OF YOUR MIND? He said I totally enjoy life more now because I have a greater sense of myself and how amazing this world is....he then said he can't really explain it unless you experience it. After doing a fair amount of googling and reading on the internet of people who have been in that state of mind I guess its very involved and emotional journey.


Thanks for the input guys! I suppose it does sound rather stupid after hearing all the CONS and very little PROS from trying the drug. I guess my issue is I find very little things actually fun. But its been like this since SCI, this is not a new thing.

Then I discovered I am extremely happy when I'm high. Not just a little happy but a happiness I haven't felt since I was paralyzed. So I guess after the 5 years of being paralyzed I totally forgot what happiness felt like and I was use to that feeling of just living and not enjoying life to the fullest. Just doing the daily grind, getting to where I need to be and living life as it comes not really thinking of enjoyment. But I guess going towards drugs to bring more happiness is pretty fucked up and could lead to addiction. I don't however see any difference between someone being high or someone being drunk. Except weed leads to a much happier feeling and I don't have to pee as much. But acid does seem pretty extreme.

I've told my mom this several times because she can actually understand where I'm coming from. I told her I am only living to please others. For example, I like to buy things for people or take people on adventures not because I enjoy them but because it makes them happy which in turn makes me feel good that they are enjoying themselves. But is that really all the happiness I can have? She told me she does the same thing. She said her life would be pointless if she didn't have my brother and I. She gets enjoyment out us which makes sense. If I had kids then I would live my happiness through them.

Wheelchair sports/acitivites also don't bring me happiness. If I did any of them it would be because it keeps me in shape not because I find them enjoyable. I did this pre-sci as well. I played a TON of sports but I never enjoyed them. I did these sports mainly to fit in and to keep in shape physically. I told my dad this a few years ago but I told him I'm glad he forced me to do them because it was a good childhood experience.

Anyone else get this feeling or have you truly had that feeling of enjoyment? If you have, what is it that made you feel this happiness? This is not depression. I've been in deep depression and this is nothing like it. I'm content with my life currently but not happy if that makes sense.

[tooley]

I don't think drugs are bad, what's bad is if you lose self-control. I would say try it. If you like it do it once in a long while, while camping or on holidays somewhere chill.

Having been a master tripper in my early 20's, I feel experienced enough to give advice. Before I did it the first time I researched it. By all accounts (Timothy Leary, etc) set and setting is everything. Preferably the first few times do it away from urban areas, somewhere where you feel safe and comfortable. Also with people you really trust to do the right thing when you are tripping balls.

I used to go out the national park here with my old hound-dog and walk around with the buffalo. Probably not such a great idea, but it was like a complete escape from my daily life.

Or lock yourself in your house with everything you need. Pink Floyd- Dark Side of the Moon and some of that trippy shit you listen to on a good home theatre.
Watch Heavy Metal.
A book about life, self-help shit. Everything seems like the most profound thing you've ever heard.
Or paint, you like to draw.
If you start feeling antsy or like you're tripping too hard, just go in your bedroom and drink lots of water. You won't be able to sleep, but put on a movie you like. (not horror)
Don't drink, you won't feel drunk until the acid wears off and then you'll be wicked pissed drunk.
I used to smoke about an ounce of weed everytime I dropped acid, it really has no effect, but it does keep you still and it's cool blowing smoke rings in some black light or lava lamp light.
Smoke a good cigar and stare at a campfire.
Don't forget to eat, but cooking is not such a good idea. (I've set off many smoke alarms)
Don't smoke salvia!!! This shit had me so far from reality I didn't even see my best friends standing 10 feet from me. It was just laughter as I looked around starry-eyed. By the time I put down the bong (one monster hoot) the sky was plaid with laser beams and mushy ground that felt like jello.
And then there's psilocybin mushrooms. I honsestly thought I was an alien for about three years, I would sip on honey-mush tea all day 4 of 7 days a week.
When the hotel room looks like the one in "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas", you've done enough.

Now that I'm SCI'd I would never do psychedelics, but then again I don't smoke weed or drink no more. And I was a chronic pothead/alcoholic pre-injury.


btw, did you see the "double rainbow" guy on Tosh.0?

[tooley]

driving a no-no on heavy trips. Traffic laws are a distant memory on a good hit.

[jody]

not againts it in the right setting. though, some do just get ruined with wanting to be messed up on anything, you dont seem to need an escape. maybe try peyote. though, study its use and affects if you are looking for a heightened enlightenment sort of thing. if you just want to trip, make sure it is good clean acid, and start small. do not do more if you don't start to trip as fast as someone who has done it before. I see peeps do that at fest, and that is what ends in a bad trip. on fraturday nite last fest, one guys first trip, his friends were all tripping their faces off, and wanting to wander, but their friend, who was dropping for the first time, had walked into my campsite, and for some reason it would be his safe spot for the next eight hours. he could not leave without torment. his friends were cool and stayed with him, but were bummed to have to babysit. we all ended up having a good time except for the poor guy who was having the bad trip.

[GL]

Hi Tooley kool words
I like your writing good words of wisdom
Hey Gang I smoked weed long ago it just mellows me out calms me somewhat !!! but I wouldnt do acid ... No way lol I witnessed the inevitable imop ...

When I was going through college my super close friend ( NoName ) was a genius literally ...Used to be a walking brain Such a smart guy he had everything going great

Here he was going to med school which costs a ton of $$$ dropped out all because he literally went Gonzo from Acid crap ... He used to be so smart 4.0 to low low low
Now he is Out there in la la land pruning trees and in his own weird world ...

Also I had 2 other friends commit suicide because of it
Then again that was 27 years ago
Different strokes for different folks

People do whatever they want it is their lives and fried minds

All we can do is the best we can at the moment .

Hugs ya all
GL

[Mutley]

Whether or not you should be doing drugs depends on 2 things. 1 Who you are as a person and 2 the crowd you do it with... I've been in and out of the recreational drug scene for as long as I've been an adult. And some of the most successful people in my life are users. I've met my fair share of junkies too. The only difference I can see between the 2 groups of users is the groups they hang around. If the support is there you will probably do drugs sparingly, maybe once or twice a month and live a normal and productive life... If you can harness the creativity drugs can give you even better.

Another thing about drug users. There are those who take drugs to escape bad shit - more commonly known as junkies, and there are those that take drugs to unwind all the while having a goal to reach (travelling the world, moving up corporate ladders etc)... If you're highly motivated, and have achieved as much as you say you have... I dont think becoming a junky is likely... But that's something only you can decide for yourself. Where is your head at wrt your paralysis? Is there any other mind game you need to deal with? These are questions you need to answer honestly.

The type of person you are also should dictate the drugs you will have most fun with and the drugs you should stay away from like the plague. I've come to realise that alcohol agitates me. Speed makes me too anxious for my liking. LSD makes me paranoid sometimes to be honest I've taken it a total of 10 times and every experience was different. Dont like LSD. Shrooms enlighten my spirituality (only one experience). Marijuana is my drug of choice for my psychological make up. A good blend of creativity with an unusual sense of get it done quickly i always associated with speed before tried it.

I know of lawyers, doctors, nurses and top level mangers of rather large companies who right themselves off every friday and saturday nights to the point they have to be scraped off the pavement outside their local hangouts after closing time. And everyone of them is damn good at what they do.

[lynnifer]

Funny what you said Corey because I was going to mention that the restlessness might be that you have everything now but the security of your own family.

Corey reproducing little Coreys. *shivers* Kidding!

It's not unusual for those who make others laugh or are quite humourous to feel a void inside ... and constantly fill that void by making others feel good. Lots of people do it (myself included).

[mr_coffee]

Thanks for the responses everyone.

After thinking about it some it seems to complicated to enjoy if all these bad things can happen to you during your experience. I don't have the greatest of luck so I'm sure I'd be one of those people who have a bad trip and turn into a psycho. :D

I'll just stick to good old weed if I want an experience.

[Eileen]

Huge mistake in my opinion. Please don't confuse me with some uptight older woman, cause I am a child of the 60's and 70's, so I have seen all and tried a few myself, but taking a psychedelic for boredom is akin to putting a bandage on a hemoraghe. It might be a temporary fix, but in the end it may have caused great harm to your body, your success, and you will be still left needing a better solution.

[lynnifer]

How long have you been working full time now? A year or two or has it been longer?

It's a bit worrisome that you're bored already Corey!

Travel. While you're young, can afford it and still can!

[Wesley]

Dude, you are 24. If you have achieved all your goals, it is time to reevaluate what you want to do with your life. You aren't going to find fulfillment in drugs. I am not anti drug by any means, I think everything from heroin and cocaine to pot should be legal. Cisco is a nice job some someone right out of school, but I personally would be bored to tears working there. This bored with life is new attitude for you, have you considered it is a byproduct of your recent rediscovery of pot? Go back and read your posts for the last year, you can tell by your writing style and attitude when you started eating the nug brownies. You have SCI and your future depends on your brain, if I were you I wouldn't even be smoking pot much less dropping acid.

Last thing, then I will stop preaching. If you do decide to go down this path, DONT POST IT ON THE INTERNET. I google everyone I look to hire, as I am sure everyone does. You work in the silicon valley, so the people googling you will find your facebook page and find out what you post here. Posting your adventures whilst tripping will not be a plus when people are looking to hire you.

Coffee,

this is the best advice

[tooley]

Corey reproducing little Coreys.

yes, imo do this. Find a good woman and settle down, as a thirtysomething I wish I would have done this early. The ppl I know who are the happiest are the ones with kids.

[SCIfor55yrs.]

Hey Corey,
I go back to the beginning of the acid revolution promoted by Timothy Leary. From observations, there is no doubt in my mind that the risks and consequences are much greater than any benefits. Do not try to escape from reality: work on making it better. I get the highest highs from real love. There is no guarantee that everyone will find it, but looking for it can be an exciting adventure. It puts meaning and purpose in your life. You have a lot to give to the right woman. Having a soulmate can be awesome.

[Foolish Old]

Want to try something new? Get a small tropical bird and a sewing machine. Make clothes for the bird and dress it up. If that doesn't bring meaning to your life, get back to me. I have other ideas.

[t8burst]

Want to try something new? Get a small tropical bird and a sewing machine. Make clothes for the bird and dress it up. If that doesn't bring meaning to your life, get back to me. I have other ideas.

See what happens when you take too much acid Cory?

[Foolish Old]

See what happens when you take too much acid Cory?Why do you hate fashion?

[NorthQuad]

Cory, ever try atv'ing?

Like hauling ass on something like this...

http://www.utvguide.net/images/PolarisRangerRZRS-2010LE-Orange-1.jpg

or this...

http://www.atv.com/images/content/5commander0608.jpg

It might be something worth trying. Something different to do every now and then. You can probably rent them somewhere in Cali. It's pretty f'n fun when you get a bunch of people together.

[My395]

Want to try something new? Get a small tropical bird and a sewing machine. Make clothes for the bird and dress it up. If that doesn't bring meaning to your life, get back to me. I have other ideas.

^^^^ ha ha ha ^^^^

[TomRL]

I was a teenager during the 60s and encountered a number of people who had used various drugs. For some people, one LSD trip became a lifetime journey. Better to look for ways to help others than to try to waste yourself.

[lynnifer]

yes, imo do this. Find a good woman and settle down, as a thirtysomething I wish I would have done this early. The ppl I know who are the happiest are the ones with kids.

Or you'll be like me and 38 - too late. I don't care what anyone says ... there is always the wonder and regret of not having children. The gamble is to find someone you can love and trust forever, as you don't want to be supporting children you never see with half of your pay cheque!

[Grange]

Cory,
I am not a drugaphobe. I do have my fair share of experience with addiction in relationships in my life. The one thing you can never be sure of is when the switch that flips in your brain between casual user and addict will flip. That cannot be predicted. (And it is a physical change in your brain that occurs!) You might use the psycho drugs 100 times and never have a problem and then that 101st time changes things forever. Needless to say it could actually switch on your first trip. There are so many other ways to "get high" "find enlightenment" "acheive more goals" whatever you want to call it. Don't get sucked in by your friends experience with drugs. No two people experience drugs the same way.

I abused drugs for years and by God's grace I reached a point where I put it down one day and never picked it back up. My life is much better without it.

I must agree with the poster that encourages fatherhood. It is the coolest trip I have ever been on. It's been going for 16 years and just keeps getting better and better. My son was my strength during my 21 day stay in ICU!!!!! Now we write songs and play our guitars together at open mike nights around town. Life does not get much more fun than that for me.

I hope you find what you are after. I truly don't think you will find it in drugs. All they do is numb your senses. Used responsibly that's good. Used to seek enlightenment they are nothing but a dead-end.

[fishin'guy]

One word cory, fishin. You got the bay area, the piers at pacifica and the bay, strippers, the fish not the dancers. it's a blast, , and people will want to help ya, and you can go on weekend trips. Or hunting, go to Virginie, hunt deer, elk in Colorado, there's a world out there, no need to f-yourself up, feel good on nature.

[alissa]

One word cory, fishin. You got the bay area, the piers at pacifica and the bay, strippers, the fish not the dancers. it's a blast, , and people will want to help ya, and you can go on weekend trips. Or hunting, go to Virginie, hunt deer, elk in Colorado, there's a world out there, no need to f-yourself up, feel good on nature.

right, no need to f-yourself up when you can f-up a perfectly unsuspecting, undeserving animal...nature's gift to your amusement

[brucec]

I'm at an interesting point in my life where I basically achieved everything I wanted and now I'm just doing the daily grind. Same old same old. Gets rather boring after awhile.

My old roommate is moving out to move to Denver and my new roommate who is very into psychedelic drugs is an interesting creature. I actually envy him on how well he has balanced his life.

He is very smart (much smarter than me), also an engineer at Cisco, travels the world, seems to live the dream and yet has dropped acid around ~40 times which blows my mind. I usually associated people who used those types of drugs being very gross and a general waste to society.

He doesn't touch any type of drug such as cocaine or heroin but claims psychedelic drugs such as acid/shrooms have changed his outlook on life basically. Anytime he says he takes a psychedelic he finds a deeper meaning of life and enjoys life that much more even off the drug.

I've recently got into medical marijuana and LOVE IT. He actually reintroduced me to marijuana Having no pain, letting go of all that stress I built up, forgetting I'm even in a wheelchair is a pretty amazing feeling. I honestly have not been happier since my SCI which is sad to say but totally true.

Its strange though before when I was younger all my friends and my relatives (brother and cousins) would constantly smoke weed. I tried it a few times then said f that. The people I was surrounded by doing the weed were very lazy and unsuccessful people at the time. So I felt by doing that drug I would turn into them.

But now its different which inspired me to try it again. I'm surrounded by very successful people who actively use marijuana and its California where marijuana is basically legal. Well for me it is 100% legal with the medical card but even for people who don't have the medical card no one seems to care.

So now I'm thinking of trying psychedelics based on my roommates stories and his love of the drug. I asked him if he was addicted and he said not at all. I actually haven't seen him drop acid since I've been here. He says its not something you do every day or even every month.

He never forces any drugs or peer pressures but simply explains what it makes him feel. He also collected a ton of research on the drug and videos. He told me anytime you think you want to do the drug let me know and I'll show you some videos.

So am I insane? Why do I want to try a drug that I know is bad for my body but good for my spirit? I guess I'm at a point in my life where I want something different. I'm not unhappy just rather bored. He also told me to never take (acid/shrooms) if you are unhappy as it may cause a bad trip although he said he has never had a bad trip.

What are your thoughts? Has anyone here actually tried psychedelics and have had a negative feeling towards them afterward?

might as well experience everything in life, just as long as you're adult enough to know if it's effecting your life negative

[Curt Leatherbee]

Cory don't do it. Get big into exercise, you got the cool handcycle you always wanted, start doing workouts with you're legs too. Join a heath club and meet some cool chicks and become a exercise junky, not a drug junkie.

[sreneet]

I don't know anything about acid. Would it show up in a drug test? If so that's another reason not to try it.

[Rrrrronnn]

Enjoy the bliss of not knowing what you're missing. Don't do it.

[ouch]

if you're bored.. go volunteer. help some kids learn to read or something.

[mr_coffee]

I'm not going to do it everyone! its all good!

http://www.whatwinnersdo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/say-no-to-drugs-say-yes-to-tacos.jpg

[lynnifer]

I'm not going to do it everyone! its all good!


You got so many responses because so many people care about you. You're our entertainment! What would we do without you!? (kidding .. I wouldn't want to validate your making other people feel good thing lol)

[NorthQuad]

right, no need to f-yourself up when you can f-up a perfectly unsuspecting, undeserving animal...nature's gift to your amusement

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/71/1273106113036.jpg (http://www.threadbombing.com/details.php?image_id=5085)

[MSWIFE1]

Couldn't agree more Lynnifer, I have never met you Cory but I do enjoy your posts and would hate to just sit here and read how you are spiraling out of control. Its really hard to understand how you are not happy when you make so many people here laugh daily. I know life is tough but please do find another outlet, there has to be something out there to make you happy.

[smokymtn memories]

I'm glad you decided not to try it Cory. I had a nephew that years ago decided to try it, and while doing so, thought he could fly like a bird from a roof top. It goes without saying that had a bad ending.

I almost think you already knew it was'nt for you and maybe just needed that bit of reinforcement. Your friend has been really lucky. It just takes one time for using that stuff to mess you up forever.

I am sorry to hear how you're feeling about your life. So I'd say you still need to be thinking of what you need to make things better. Maybe something on the order of a list of things you want to do someday. Maybe like a bucket list. Things you want to do, places you'd like to see, maybe more education doing something else. Learning how to fly, owning real estate, owning your own business, help kids, travel to all kinds of places, and maybe your dream job and location are'nt really for you. Only you know.......

[alissa]

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[doingtimeonmyass]

I totally agree with you on marijuana. I have absolutely no experience, desire or opinion on psychedelics though. To each their own. But I do have an interesting song for this thread.

V2b8-bIJGdY

[Timaru]

I'm not going to do it everyone! its all good!

http://www.whatwinnersdo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/say-no-to-drugs-say-yes-to-tacos.jpg


Good decision!

[TMAZ]

I know I am chiming in late on this but being bored at your age is nothing new. After all you went to college and now have a daily grind job. I am sure you even find that IT is very different than you thought as well. Being bored just means your maturing from a certain lifestyle. For some it means moving to finding that someone and settling down. I did the whole lsd thing in college pre sci and found it to be a cool experience but not something I would do now. I am glad that you decided NO on the subject. I think your enlightened enough at your age to not need it as a boost.

[quad79]

Drugs, all but pot, always ruin people! You're smart & know it's bad so hold that thought.

Stick to pot or find some natural highs that life can give.

[fishin'guy]

Better the fish than him!!!:crybaby:

[stephen212]

Thankfully, ambien is not on the list.


The Most Harmful Drug (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/11/the-most-harmful-drug.html)

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e20133f581b565970b-800wi

[feisty]

Re: Salvia- don't touch it. it's poop in a pouch... there is literally no telling what herbs or stems you're going to be sold, as it's an unregulated mix of whoknowswhat head shops try to sell people while they wait for pot to be legalized. A bunch of people have gotten sick because shops can sell whatever they want and call it Salvia without checking to see if the herbs should even be ingested.

Re:acid. I took acid in college. it was the only drug I've only had that "UH-OH! Am I ever going to be NORMAL AGAIN???" feeling on. For that reason alone, I decided it wasn't my steez.

[SharonD]

You know, when I first joined CareCure you were one of the members that I enjoyed hearing from. I learned a great deal from you which helped my son. Please dont change who you are.

[NorthQuad]

Thankfully, ambien is not on the list.


The Most Harmful Drug (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/11/the-most-harmful-drug.html)

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e20133f581b565970b-800wi

Drop the beer, grab the meth pipe?

[feisty]

Drop the beer, grab the meth pipe?

or the butane torch? wtf?

[marycsm77]

or the butane torch? wtf?

lol, that's funny.

[Grange]

The Most Harmful Drug Graph is simply a modicom of information that was created to show how much less harmful the drugs that are firmly controlled or outlawed altogether are as compared to alcohol. Some will use it to justify their use of the drugs on the right side of the page. While there are probably alot of drugs that are abused that are left off it completely the most obvious omission is the "NO DRUG AT ALL" drug. It is the one farthest to the right and it is the least harmful drug to abuse!!!!!!!

[LaMemChose]

Cory, go hang gliding. Try fishing. Jump out of a perfectly good airplane to sky dive. Rip some fresh powder at a top notch ski resort. (Check into National Ability Center at Park City. Amazingly good adaptive skiing.) Take an art class you have always wanted to take. Travel to a country you want to explore. Volunteer with an org in which you really believe and love. Become a mentor for a child in Big Brothers/Big Sisters. Adopt a dog from an animal shelter. IT's hard to be bored when you have a furry best friend.

In other words, as someone else wrote, start a bucket list. You might do like I do. Whenever I mark something off my list, something new goes in its place. That top ten of mine keeps life fresh and interesting. I always have wants, dreams, aspirations and goals and that list helps me stay focused.

What is it you have always wanted to do, but haven't? What do you love doing most for fun?

Find your bliss and follow it.

[brian]

I couldn't read all of the previous posts, so I'm sorry if someone's said this already.

I haven't done acid, but I'm all for trying everything once. Be sure you have some sober friends around (who stay sober) and go easy the first time.
That said, if you or your family has ANY history of addiction - drugs, food, pills, booze, etc - this is a BIG RED FLAG. Do NOT proceed.

[KiranA]

They call marijuana a gateway drug for a reason. It's a slippery slope, my friend. You're bright, young and have a lot to offer the world. I can assure you this will only fuck things up for you. Why not travel? Try new sports? There's so much you could be doing to make your life more fulfilling. Dropping acid isn't one of them.

[betheny]

Take that scuba class, then I'll travel with ya. (80% of my bucket list can be found underwater.)

The other 20% involves Sam Elliott. :p

[My395]

Take that scuba class, then I'll travel with ya. (80% of my bucket list can be found underwater.)

The other 20% involves Sam Elliott. :p

^^^^^ ha ha ^^^^^^ :)

[smokymtn memories]

Sam Elliot! That's a good one Betheny. I just love to hear him talk.

Cory, have you been thinking about the things you might like to try doing?

[Grange]

They call marijuana a gateway drug for a reason. It's a slippery slope, my friend. You're bright, young and have a lot to offer the world. I can assure you this will only fuck things up for you. .

I've seen it happen too many times.!!!!! You are so right Kirana

[Riaan]

I have not read all the post but this is looking for shit..........Sorry my words.You start of with acid then acid and a pill to bring down the acid cause it lasts so long.Then have a line of cat agg and while we at it lets try coke......Seen many of my friends go that way and battle to get out of it and lose everything.You have been an inspiration to alot of us and some younger/older sci look up to you so dont let your room mate mess with your head PLEASE.......

[Patton57]

If I understand your background correctly, you are roughly 24 yrs old, have an incomplete cervical injury, have finished your education, have a good job in your chosen profession and seem to have the foundation to build a decent relationship if you aren't in one already.

For starters, you are barely an adult. You need to get some more wisdom to balance out your intellect. This will take a little time and if you do life right you won't have time to ponder giving your life away to foolish endeavors. Above average intellect without wisdom can get you in a lot of trouble.

I grew up in a family ravaged by alcohol and substance abuse and decided at a young age to not take the same path. While it worked out well for me, it has been horrible watching the wasted potential of family members and one crisis after another. Don't be a fool. You will lose one way or another if you use! Run like hell from all mind altering substances.

If idle time or a lack of goals is a problem then go figure out how to fix a damaged spinal cord. I hope you make a good choice here and continue to build on your previous accomplishments. You have a lot to offer the world.

[leahcaprice]

You call cannabis the start of a slippery slope. I know plenty of people who ONLY smoke.

You take what you like, here we have to a load of people who have never tried an illegal drug in their life and only rely on dramatised stories they hear and read. If you are happy with your situation and feel safe with your friend try it. Worst thing that can happen is you don't like it, if you are worried that is your answer - don't do it! Stay on the ground floor, fields are good, do your bowel care before you do it and make sure you have a way to pee as you may be tripping out way too much to navigate a catheter.

We all know of a drug addict and to be honest I know 2 or 3 compared to thousands I used to club with every weekend who took illegal drugs recreationally and went about their lives like everyone else who could also happily go out without any drugs at all.

[wheeliecoach]

Worst thing that can happen is you don't like it.

The worst thing that could happen is that your body could have an unexpected reaction...and you have heart issues, or death. I went to school with someone who did it once and died....3 months before graduation. You are smart...make sure you weigh all sides before deciding.

[stephen212]

They call marijuana a gateway drug for a reason. It's a slippery slope, my friend. You're bright, young and have a lot to offer the world. I can assure you this will only fuck things up for you. Why not travel? Try new sports? There's so much you could be doing to make your life more fulfilling. Dropping acid isn't one of them.

O.K., now the facts: http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/

Myth: Marijuana is a Gateway Drug. Even if marijuana itself causes minimal harm, it is a dangerous substance because it leads to the use of "harder drugs" like heroin, LSD, and cocaine.

Fact: Marijuana does not cause people to use hard drugs. What the gateway theory presents as a causal explanation is a statistic association between common and uncommon drugs, an association that changes over time as different drugs increase and decrease in prevalence. Marijuana is the most popular illegal drug in the United States today. Therefore, people who have used less popular drugs such as heroin, cocaine, and LSD, are likely to have also used marijuana. Most marijuana users never use any other illegal drug. Indeed, for the large majority of people, marijuana is a terminus rather than a gateway drug.


Morral, Andrew R.; McCaffrey, Daniel F. and Susan M. Paddock. “Reassessing the marijuana gateway effect.” Addiction 97.12 (2002): 1493-504.



United States. National Household Survey on Drug Abuse: Population Estimates 1994. Rockville, MD: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, 1995.



---. National Household Survey on Drug Abuse: Main Findings 1994. Rockville, MD: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, 1996.



D.B. Kandel and M. Davies, “Progression to Regular Marijuana Involvement: Phenomenology and Risk Factors for Near-Daily Use,” Vulnerability to Drug Abuse, Eds. M. Glantz and R. Pickens. Washington, D.C.: American Psychological Association, 1992: 211-253.

[marycsm77]

O.K., now the facts: http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/

Myth: Marijuana is a Gateway Drug. Even if marijuana itself causes minimal harm, it is a dangerous substance because it leads to the use of "harder drugs" like heroin, LSD, and cocaine.

Fact: Marijuana does not cause people to use hard drugs. What the gateway theory presents as a causal explanation is a statistic association between common and uncommon drugs, an association that changes over time as different drugs increase and decrease in prevalence. Marijuana is the most popular illegal drug in the United States today. Therefore, people who have used less popular drugs such as heroin, cocaine, and LSD, are likely to have also used marijuana. Most marijuana users never use any other illegal drug. Indeed, for the large majority of people, marijuana is a terminus rather than a gateway drug.


Morral, Andrew R.; McCaffrey, Daniel F. and Susan M. Paddock. “Reassessing the marijuana gateway effect.” Addiction 97.12 (2002): 1493-504.



United States. National Household Survey on Drug Abuse: Population Estimates 1994. Rockville, MD: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, 1995.



---. National Household Survey on Drug Abuse: Main Findings 1994. Rockville, MD: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, 1996.



D.B. Kandel and M. Davies, “Progression to Regular Marijuana Involvement: Phenomenology and Risk Factors for Near-Daily Use,” Vulnerability to Drug Abuse, Eds. M. Glantz and R. Pickens. Washington, D.C.: American Psychological Association, 1992: 211-253.



I personally have never met anyone in my entire life that has ONLY smoked pot and never done anything else, or at least tried anything else, I cannot think of one person, personally or that I have come across professionally.

Also prescription drugs can easily be obtained (they are legal) and used for recreational purposes and its done all the time.

that being said I couldn't care less who smokes pot or does any drug as long as they're not hurting someone else and all that entails.

One more thing that I don't know that has been mentioned or not, "boredom" and depression often go hand in hand. I think someone at 24 who is bored maybe depressed and a manifestation of that is boredom, perhapss looking for something to alleviate that. I don't know if that is the best time to start using new drugs.

[stephen212]

I personally have never met anyone in my entire life that has ONLY smoked pot and never done anything else, or at least tried anything else, I cannot think of one person, personally or that I have come across professionally.

Almost all of the people I knew growing up who smoked pot stopped there. Those that crossed over the line to sample something harder, say cocaine, jumped right back.


One more thing that I don't know that has been mentioned or not, "boredom" and depression often go hand in hand. I think someone at 24 who is bored maybe depressed and a manifestation of that is boredom, perhapss looking for something to alleviate that. I don't know if that is the best time to start using new drugs.

Excellent point and probably the crux at what prompted Cory to initiate this thread, though lay and professional definitions of definition are often quite different.

[marycsm77]

Almost all of the people I knew growing up who smoked pot stopped there. Those that crossed over the line to sample something harder, say cocaine, jumped right back.


I dont know how to separate the quote thing here, but anyway Stephen we obviously had a very different experience in the "drug scene", I think I may have had more "naughty" friends:) than you.



Excellent point and probably the crux at what prompted Cory to initiate this thread, though lay and professional definitions of definition are often quite different.

I don't understand this quote exactly but thinking as a "lay" person right now I speculate that his boredom may be a manifestation of depression that he may not even see.

As I say I have no problems with people doing drugs as long as they dont hurt anyone else, if they get caught up in harder things, which is horrific, well then you gotta pay the piper. I am also appalled by people who use drugs recreationally or are addicts and are put in jail for possession, makes me insane.

I know it's not what this thread is about but I have a soft spot big time for those who get caught up in overusing drugs or becoming addicts. I once met a man at work who told me he had been on Methadone for something like 40 years and wasted his whole life using drugs, it was wrenching, no surprise he was homeless still...

hmm somehow what I said got caught up in your blue box:)

[NorthQuad]

Almost all of the people I knew growing up who smoked pot stopped there. Those that crossed over the line to sample something harder, say cocaine, jumped right back.

My friends and your friends are different.

[leahcaprice]

Some people just can't be helped babe, sad as it is.I know a guy like that, methadone for years, excuses for everything, never his fault oh no! I can't even look at him anymore, he made up some salacious rumour involving me and then of course it wasn't his fault blah blah.

[marycsm77]

Some people just can't be helped babe, sad as it is.I know a guy like that, methadone for years, excuses for everything, never his fault oh no! I can't even look at him anymore, he made up some salacious rumour involving me and then of course it wasn't his fault blah blah.

I know people make excuses for everything, I just can't help it when someone is in that deep, it just breaks my heart, i've seen it too much. I hate seeing someone lose their life like that. I know it's not the majority, but I'll tell you even if you've seen it once you know that it's once too much:( And trust me I wasn't an angel in this department:)

[Jim]

Have never done more than smoke pot/hash. A bunch of friends I grew up with have done it all.

Lying to our kids is harmful.

"Johnny, marijuana is en evil drug, very bad for you, and you should never do it."
Johnny smokes some weed and discovers it is pretty cool, no big deal.
Johnny figures other drugs aren't a big deal and tries them also.
Johnny gets addicted to coke, meth, or heroine and OD's.

[KiranA]

My friends and your friends are different.

Amen. It irritates me when people lash out at those who do not condone drug use and write them off as prudish uptight people relying on some type of folklore associated with drug use. I'm also irritated by Leah Caprice's comment that those who speak against drug use have no personal experience on which they base their opinion.

It's bullshit.

I'm in a field of study where the mass majority of students are using drugs to survive the program. I am the only one in my circle of friends who isn't smoking pot. They initially started using it to fight their anxieties associated with lawschool. The guy who sold them pot showed them that if they do coke during the day so that they have enough energy to get through the copious amount of readings we have to do, they could smoke the pot to bring them down at the end of the night when they want to sleep. Apparently it's a winning combination. I've watched my friends turn from vibrant people to fragile human beings.

It's not only lawschool. A number of friends who started smoking pot in highschool experienced early on-set psychosis. Many of them have turned to other drugs to self-medicate.

An ex of mine, who was a chronic pothead and tried to walk away from it, started to abuse pain medication instead.

I lost one of my best friends from high school because he was a raver, and did E, and pretty much every drug associated with that scene, all the time. His little brother, who was only a child at the time, tried to wake him up one morning. He had died in his sleep.

I feel like it's a game of russian roulette. Sure, there are people who have spent their entire life high and are "functioning" fine, but then there are those folk who decided to try it once, got a hit that was laced with something lethal, and are permanently brain damaged.

If looking out for Cory, or any other young adult who's looking for excitement in his/her life, makes me a prude, so be it. I lead an exciting life. I created it for myself. And I haven't had to turn to drugs in order to have a good time.

[KiranA]

You take what you like, here we have to a load of people who have never tried an illegal drug in their life and only rely on dramatised stories they hear and read. If you are happy with your situation and feel safe with your friend try it. Worst thing that can happen is you don't like it, if you are worried that is your answer - don't do it! Stay on the ground floor, fields are good, do your bowel care before you do it and make sure you have a way to pee as you may be tripping out way too much to navigate a catheter.



Would you give this advice to your child?

[keps]

Does marijuana do anything weird to paralyzed parts? Like more or less spasms or something? I'm really curious.

[leahcaprice]

I didn't once say those who speak against drug use have no personal experience on which they base their opinion, I said here we have a load of people who have never tried an illegal drug in their life and only rely on dramatised stories they hear and read. You can interpret it how you like but my words say exactly how I feel. And yes, I would say the same to my child if they came to me with such an issue. I'm not uptight like some of you. Alcohol is a lot worse and how many of your children secretly go get drunk and do all sorts, barely even remember it? Get a grip! It's not my problem your friends went all druggie, I have moved in the drug culture for 10 years and not seen anything like you described, but then I don't hang about with losers. It is sad about those one off death cases and I am sorry for your loss.

[Bonnette]

Does marijuana do anything weird to paralyzed parts? Like more or less spasms or something? I'm really curious.
The "medical marijuana" I purchased at a dispensary made my spasticity much worse. The only reason I registered was that I'd heard marijuana eased spasticity. I won't try it again, it was an awful experience...but I guess it helps a lot of people.

[leahcaprice]

I've heard of drugs increasing spasms, I don't get spasms but if I did I wouldn't take the risk, don't fancy kicking myself in the face whilst I'm on a buzz lol x

[keps]

The "medical marijuana" I purchased at a dispensary made my spasticity much worse. The only reason I registered was that I'd heard marijuana eased spasticity. I won't try it again, it was an awful experience...but I guess it helps a lot of people.

Oh! Interesting. I want to try it, but I was concerned about it affecting spasms. (Of course here it wouldn't be "medical marijuana" = England).
I'm very flexible and quite floppy with minor spasms. I really wouldn't want my legs to start going crazy.

I've heard of drugs increasing spasms, I don't get spasms but if I did I wouldn't take the risk, don't fancy kicking myself in the face whilst I'm on a buzz lol x

Lol! I'm so flexible, I can get my feet behind my head. So if my legs were to go crazy, I might well kick myself in the face! :lolz:

[LaMemChose]

My friends and your friends are different.

Word.

BTW, Kiran is spot on.

[betheny]

The "medical marijuana" I purchased at a dispensary made my spasticity much worse. The only reason I registered was that I'd heard marijuana eased spasticity. I won't try it again, it was an awful experience...but I guess it helps a lot of people.

I think there are 2 types dispensed, sativa and indica. One is indicated to reduce spasms, dunno which one since I live in OK. It's all the Devil's Weed up in here.

[Bonnette]

I think there are 2 types dispensed, sativa and indica. One is indicated to reduce spasms, dunno which one since I live in OK.
Right, I can't remember which is which either, but the strain I got was the one that is supposed to be mellower and suppress spasticity. Not! (For me, anyway.)

[KiranA]

I have moved in the drug culture for 10 years and not seen anything like you described, but then I don't hang about with losers.

None of my friends were losers. These were all bright, articulate, promising individuals.

Perhaps the reason you don't "see" anything like I've described is that you're not sober enough to see it. Just a thought.

I realize people here, and people with other conditions rely on pot for medicinal purposes. I am in no way passing judgment on those people. I also think we all have the freedom to make the choices we make. Cory asked for advice. I like the kid. I want what's best for him. So I gave my opinion. You've seen the apparent positive side of it, and I've witnessed the negative.

Just because I don't believe in hard drug use, doesn't mean I'm uptight.

[fuentejps]

i've heard of drugs increasing spasms, i don't get spasms but if i did i wouldn't take the risk, don't fancy kicking myself in the face whilst i'm on a buzz lol x

coke jacks spasms up bad

[fuentejps]

If you want to do it rock on. Enjoy. personally pot was just not my flavor......


i'm at an interesting point in my life where i basically achieved everything i wanted and now i'm just doing the daily grind. Same old same old. Gets rather boring after awhile.

My old roommate is moving out to move to denver and my new roommate who is very into psychedelic drugs is an interesting creature. I actually envy him on how well he has balanced his life.

He is very smart (much smarter than me), also an engineer at cisco, travels the world, seems to live the dream and yet has dropped acid around ~40 times which blows my mind. I usually associated people who used those types of drugs being very gross and a general waste to society.

He doesn't touch any type of drug such as cocaine or heroin but claims psychedelic drugs such as acid/shrooms have changed his outlook on life basically. Anytime he says he takes a psychedelic he finds a deeper meaning of life and enjoys life that much more even off the drug.

I've recently got into medical marijuana and love it. He actually reintroduced me to marijuana having no pain, letting go of all that stress i built up, forgetting i'm even in a wheelchair is a pretty amazing feeling. I honestly have not been happier since my sci which is sad to say but totally true.

Its strange though before when i was younger all my friends and my relatives (brother and cousins) would constantly smoke weed. I tried it a few times then said f that. The people i was surrounded by doing the weed were very lazy and unsuccessful people at the time. So i felt by doing that drug i would turn into them.

But now its different which inspired me to try it again. I'm surrounded by very successful people who actively use marijuana and its california where marijuana is basically legal. Well for me it is 100% legal with the medical card but even for people who don't have the medical card no one seems to care.

So now i'm thinking of trying psychedelics based on my roommates stories and his love of the drug. I asked him if he was addicted and he said not at all. I actually haven't seen him drop acid since i've been here. He says its not something you do every day or even every month.

He never forces any drugs or peer pressures but simply explains what it makes him feel. He also collected a ton of research on the drug and videos. He told me anytime you think you want to do the drug let me know and i'll show you some videos.

So am i insane? Why do i want to try a drug that i know is bad for my body but good for my spirit? I guess i'm at a point in my life where i want something different. I'm not unhappy just rather bored. He also told me to never take (acid/shrooms) if you are unhappy as it may cause a bad trip although he said he has never had a bad trip.

What are your thoughts? Has anyone here actually tried psychedelics and have had a negative feeling towards them afterward?

[stephen212]

I admit I haven't read every post in this thread, but I have yet to come across anyone condoning or recommending the use of hard drugs.

Earlier I responded to Kiran's claim that marijuana is a gateway drug. While we can all draw on our own anecdotal evidence to either support or reject this claim, a preponderance of scientific literature (http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Gateway_Theory), so far, rejects the null hypothesis. One must be careful to sort out confounding variables that may lead to erroneous conclusions.

That said, the pot that's available today is many times stronger than what was available in my distant youth, and unless you've grown what you're going to smoke, you can't know for sure what you're inhaling. So to that end prudence wins the day.

Also, despite its defeat yesterday, that an initiative (Prop 19) to legalize marijuana even made it to the ballot dispels, to my mind, the abject evil that is still perpetuated about marijuana use. No one's advocating for similar initiatives for cocaine or heroin use.

[bob clark]

Hi Cory,

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd.shtml

Bob.

[rdf]

I'm gonna start callin' you Professor, Stephen. Professor Stephen. See? :high5:I admit I haven't read every post in this thread, but I have yet to come across anyone condoning or recommending the use of hard drugs.

Earlier I responded to Kiran's claim that marijuana is a gateway drug. While we can all draw on our own anecdotal evidence to either support or reject this claim, a preponderance of scientific literature (http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Gateway_Theory), so far, rejects the null hypothesis. One must be careful to sort out confounding variables that may lead to erroneous conclusions.

That said, the pot that's available today is many times stronger than what was available in my distant youth, and unless you've grown what you're going to smoke, you can't know for sure what you're inhaling. So to that end prudence wins the day.

Also, despite its defeat yesterday, that an initiative (Prop 19) to legalize marijuana even made it to the ballot dispels, to my mind, the abject evil that is still perpetuated about marijuana use. No one's advocating for similar initiatives for cocaine or heroin use.

[Imight]

They call marijuana a gateway drug for a reason..

You have no idea what you're talking about man. In fact what my friend was saying on facebook yesterday is probably more correct than what you're on about. Cigs and even alcohol are usually tried before marijuana. and most people are willing to 'try' a new drug while buzzed off liquor.

Anyways.

@Cory

I'm from Cali, have taken shrooms, salvia (see mens forum under DMT thread) and E post injury. I'm fine. I don't advocate it, however, you and I both know it can go either way. Really, only YOU know how your mind will take it. California is like Amsterdam, most people do drugs, and most people live here (one of the most expensive states to live) perfectly fine.

I've noticed a trend with small towners being very fearful of drugs the most. However, I will say some of it is justified. Drugs are to be respected, even the ones we all have to take on a daily basis that have ill side effects

[Imight]

[URL="http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Gateway_Theory"]


Oh shit I didn't even read the link til after I wrote that hahaha.

But seriously, you don't even have to google it, did we all not go to freakin school? Every damn kid tried liquor or a cig, it's the easiest thing a kid can get a hold of. Some kids enjoyed it, thought it was cool, usually those kids went on to different drugs. It's how it was....

[leahcaprice]

Perhaps the reason you don't "see" anything like I've described is that you're not sober enough to see it. Just a thought.If that is what you want to believe that is up to you, I rarely take drugs to go out as it is 50/50 of having a good time or being sick. I know exactly what is going on. My original post did a runner, it was not me who removed it. Maybe someone does not like it that my point of view is not the same as the rest of the crowd which is a shame, we are all different people with real thoughts and feelings and if one can not air a different argument what is the point?

[marycsm77]

I admit I haven't read every post in this thread, but I have yet to come across anyone condoning or recommending the use of hard drugs.

Earlier I responded to Kiran's claim that marijuana is a gateway drug. While we can all draw on our own anecdotal evidence to either support or reject this claim, a preponderance of scientific literature (http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Gateway_Theory), so far, rejects the null hypothesis. One must be careful to sort out confounding variables that may lead to erroneous conclusions.

That said, the pot that's available today is many times stronger than what was available in my distant youth, and unless you've grown what you're going to smoke, you can't know for sure what you're inhaling. So to that end prudence wins the day.

Also, despite its defeat yesterday, that an initiative (Prop 19) to legalize marijuana even made it to the ballot dispels, to my mind, the abject evil that is still perpetuated about marijuana use. No one's advocating for similar initiatives for cocaine or heroin use.


Gateway Theory
(marijuana as a gateway to other drugs) "Analysis of the demographic and social characteristics of a large sample of applicants seeking approval to use marijuana medically in California supports an interpretation of long term non problematic use by many who had first tried it as adolescents, and then either continued to use it or later resumed its use as adults. In general, they have used it at modest levels and in consistent patterns which anecdotally-often assisted their educational achievement, employment performance, and establishment of a more stable life-style. These data suggest that rather than acting as a gateway to other drugs, (which many had also tried), cannabis has been exerting a beneficial influence on most.

Am I reading this wrong or interpreting wrong but this is the first parapgraph:
which is using the word anecdotally. I don't see how there can be science to prove that marijuana use doesnt lead to other drug use. How were these studies done? It seems as though the information is from the perspective of the person using it over the long term. That doesn't seem scientific. I haven't really read the entire link, but i'm confused as to their method of determining that the gateway theory does not exist.

I'm not trying to be argumentative but people's experiences here seem about as accurate as this.

I guess some people never go past smoking pot/hash, I just have never encountered them. And i'm not talking about people who use after an injury for medical purposes, i mean people who start out at a relatively young age for recreational purposes, i still think it does open the doors for more experimentation and use, it did for me.
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I find it mind blowing that people claim is that it improved their academic achievement, employement etc.

[brucec]

Re:acid. I took acid in college. it was the only drug I've only had that "UH-OH! Am I ever going to be NORMAL AGAIN???" feeling on. For that reason alone, I decided it wasn't my steez.

i got a kick outta the "UH-OH!", i tried acid two or three times several years apart, and got the same uh-oh feeling.

but coke i liked and did alot, but it was too much money so i quit buying that

[brucec]

I'm not going to do it everyone! its all good!



wimp :nana:

edit, sorry cory, i thought the smiley face was going to be below, as in ha ha

[marycsm77]

I guess it's starting to sound like a Nancy Reagan "Just Say No" thread:)

I just think if someone as a proclivity toward using drugs, they are not going to use once or twice. If someone drops acid once and likes it, chances are it will continue and after dozens or hundreds of times it will affect your brain. However I never feel the need to dictate to others nor do I have the right to tell them what they can do with their own bodies.

Your brain is your best asset by far, best to protect as well you can.

[KiranA]

I admit I haven't read every post in this thread, but I have yet to come across anyone condoning or recommending the use of hard drugs.

Earlier I responded to Kiran's claim that marijuana is a gateway drug. While we can all draw on our own anecdotal evidence to either support or reject this claim, a preponderance of scientific literature (http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Gateway_Theory), so far, rejects the null hypothesis. One must be careful to sort out confounding variables that may lead to erroneous conclusions.

That said, the pot that's available today is many times stronger than what was available in my distant youth, and unless you've grown what you're going to smoke, you can't know for sure what you're inhaling. So to that end prudence wins the day.

Also, despite its defeat yesterday, that an initiative (Prop 19) to legalize marijuana even made it to the ballot dispels, to my mind, the abject evil that is still perpetuated about marijuana use. No one's advocating for similar initiatives for cocaine or heroin use.

My bad. I'll remember to whip out the scientific literature next time a friend asks for advice.

I was troubled by Cory's post because he spoke of boredom as a main motivation for wanting to try LSD. I found that troubling. I didn't think it was a good idea. And so, I shared what I have seen.

Anyways, I'm done with this thread. In fact, I'm done with any discussion regarding drug use. My personal opinions/experiences are far too strong for me to see things clearly, which has been made abundantly clear.

Cory, you do what you gotta do. Obviously listen to those who have done/are doing it. They'll guide you in the right direction.

Peace.

[fuentejps]

i got a kick outta the "UH-OH!", i tried acid two or three times several years apart, and got the same uh-oh feeling.

but coke i liked and did alot, but it was too much money so i quit buying that

me too, loved it. been 10yrs and i can still occassionally taste it in the back of my throat. you know exactly what im talkin about.......same as you thou way to spendy.

[stephen212]

I'm not going to beat a dead horse (much further), but let's not lose sight of the fact that claims that marijuana is a gateway drug has profound legal implications, which don't require my explanation or elaboration. So, if that claim is not substantiated by research, and according to this Rand Corporation press release (http://www.rand.org/news/press.02/gateway.html) it is not, then that has important public policy implications that need honest and dispassionate examination.


I'm in a field of study where the mass majority of students are using drugs to survive the program. I am the only one in my circle of friends who isn't smoking pot. They initially started using it to fight their anxieties associated with lawschool.

It would be equally unscientific to conclude that being a law student is a gateway to marijuana and other drug use -- "They initially started using it to fight their anxieties associated with lawschool" -- though this is a correlation that suggests possible causation.

As for Cory, he declared that he's going to heed the consensus counsel and remain drug abstinent. I'm certainly not making an argument for him reconsider. But like any other CC thread that exceeds 100 posts, there are many concurrent conversations taking place, some of the emotional, others more academic. Let's not conflate the two.

An aside: None of my friends who went to law school enjoyed the experience, though they've gone on to enjoy their careers. Most were seriously miserable. One had to be hospitalized for manic-depression, which first manifested itself in the first year of law school. It's certainly no place for the stress-averse.

[Le Type Français]

I have moved in the drug culture for 10 years and not seen anything like you described, but then I don't hang about with losers.

Careful! I've seen with my own sister the destructive nature of drugs and alcohol and I don't consider her a loser at all. Sometimes, these things ruin the lives of people gradually. My sister had her last child in 2003, but she had some complications and needed surgery. They put her on narcotics to deal with the pain and I also think she had some postpartum depression, so she became hooked on the pills. When her marriage fell apart in 2007, she went on a more destructive path with alcohol and has been in and out of jail several times over DUIs and other shit.

Prescription drugs have gone rampant in suburbs and tearing apart regular families because one or more in the household have become addicted to them.

Greg Geraldo, a funny comedian in his 40s, recently died because of a drug overdose. That's awful!

I think Kiran makes a legitimate argument that drugs can destroy the lives of everyday people who have potential.

[Imight]

Cory smokes pot, is quite independent, moved to a different State by himself, working a pretty swanky job and living life to the max. Things a lot of people are STILL aiming for, or can only dream of.

Majority of Graphic Designers I work with, and most people in the industry, do the same.

Like I said, I don't advocate anything. But painting all drugs users the same, is like painting SCI injury the same. As we all like to say here "Everyone's different"

btw Corey, wtf response did you think you were going to get from folks making this kind of thread man, you know you're like everyones "Aw he reminds me of my son, cousin and nephew" golden boy on here right? You can't be telling these old foggies you wanna do acid man hahaha.

You got folks trying to compare acid to weed and prescription drugs. :doh:

[marycsm77]

Cory smokes pot, is quite independent, moved to a different State by himself, working a pretty swanky job and living life to the max. Things a lot of people are STILL aiming for, or can only dream of.

Majority of Graphic Designers I work with, and most people in the industry, do the same.

Like I said, I don't advocate anything. But painting all drugs users the same, is like painting SCI injury the same. As we all like to say here "Everyone's different"

btw Corey, wtf response did you think you were going to get from folks making this kind of thread man, you know you're like everyones "Aw he reminds me of my son, cousin and nephew" golden boy on here right? You can't be telling these old foggies you wanna do acid man hahaha.

You got folks trying to compare acid to weed and prescription drugs. :doh:

He definitely has the right to do whatever he wants, but i think those that know him, (I dont) were just trying to give their advice as he asked for.

As far as the "old fogie" remark, i'm in my 40's so I guess I qualify? I have no problem or care if people do any drugs as long as they dont hurt anyone else, dont care. But the "old fogies" are the ones that have been there, done that, next, and have the most perspective;), no?

[stephen212]

I think Kiran makes a legitimate argument that drugs can destroy the lives of everyday people who have potential.

Is anybody here even disputing that? :confused:

[Imight]

I have no problem or care if people do any drugs as long as they dont hurt anyone else, dont care.

Glad we agree. *shrugs*

And I know him personally so the old foggie comment was directed to him in humor.

[Le Type Français]

Is anybody here even disputing that? :confused:

To be honest, I don't know based on some of the multiple arguments going on at the same time as you noted. However, when it was insinuated Kiran's friends were losers, I didn't like that. I know it wasn't you who said that, but I didn't see where Kiran deserved that. Maybe Leah was being funny, I don't know, but that was harsh.

I'm not trying to be judgmental in this area. I've been harsh too many times I can count, but I usually do it in humor or in giving back what I get. I don't see Kiran throwing stones so to speak (Yes, I read Kiran's response to Leah, but Kiran was countering).

[mr_coffee]

This thread just got incredibly real people <---[NOTE: THIS WAS SUPPOSE TO BE ALL CAPS!]

[Steven Edwards]

Enjoy, Cory!

http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/128934645362672904.jpg

[marycsm77]

Enjoy, Cory!

http://iambaker.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/superjail__acid_trip_by_sweetlittlekitty1.jpg

Very Cool..!:)

[brocko]

Cory, I'm confused. Do you want to try it but think you shouldn't or think you should but don't really want to?

This is the best short desciption of a 'trip' I can think of; no pencils or paper were harmed in the making. http://www.cowboybooks.com.au/html/acidtrip1.html

[Steven Edwards]

Very Cool..!:) Caught me before I edited. :D

[mr_coffee]

Cory, I'm confused. Do you want to try it but think you shouldn't or think you should but don't really want to?

This is the best short desciption of a 'trip' I can think of; no pencils or paper were harmed in the making. http://www.cowboybooks.com.au/html/acidtrip1.html

I just like EXPERIENCES. An acid trip sounded like a pretty interesting out of body experience. Thats what interested me, it wasn't to mask my hate of the world. But i've decided not to do it because with my luck it will perminately DOMINATE MEH.

[Imight]

I just like EXPERIENCES. An acid trip sounded like a pretty interesting out of body experience. Thats what interested me, it wasn't to mask my hate of the world. But i've decided not to do it because with my luck it will perminately DOMINATE MEH.
There's always Salvia, and it's legal.

[brocko]

I just like EXPERIENCES. An acid trip sounded like a pretty interesting out of body experience. Thats what interested me, it wasn't to mask my hate of the world. But i've decided not to do it because with my luck it will perminately DOMINATE MEH.

No suggestion of hating the world here. If you want the experience without taking the drug 'Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas', the book, might give you a taste.

[stephen212]

I just like EXPERIENCES. An acid trip sounded like a pretty interesting out of body experience. Thats what interested me, it wasn't to mask my hate of the world. But i've decided not to do it because with my luck it will perminately DOMINATE MEH.

If you can find one AND figure a way to get inside of it, sensory deprivation tanks are very cool experiences. Very trippy. Pipe in a little Dark Side Of The Moon and you're set.

You float in a salt-filled bath in complete darkness. The water is skin temperature and after about a minute you cease to feel it. Then you brain wanders to strange new places -- drug free.

I used to do it back in the day -- that is, in the eighth decade of the 20th century.

http://www.bluelightfloatation.com/floatation.html

The chick in the bikini costs a little extra, but save your money :)
http://www.bluelightfloatation.com/fromweb4.jpg

[mr_coffee]

Cool stuff stephen! You think they would be mad if I pee in there as I'm floating?

Mark,

I actually heard everyone who tried that hated the shit out of it, like they felt like they wanted to pull the skin off their body as one person said lol

[marycsm77]

Stephen,

the eighth decade of the 20th Century? You old foggie you;)

[Imight]

Mark,

I actually heard everyone who tried that hated the shit out of it, like they felt like they wanted to pull the skin off their body as one person said lol
Nah, but it does have the wind tunnel effect, like your face is being pulled by G force lol one of the crazy side effects.

Personally, it's def not pleasant in the sense of sitting back thinking 'oh wow cool dude', but you come out of it with a new outlook. I swear, physics made a whole lot of sense after taking salvia LOL. space, time, all of that became apparent. Like I said, check out the DMT thread in the mens section for my descriptions hahahha.

You can also youtube kids trying salvia, but man they are doing it in the dumbest way possible, more proof that its really about your mindset and mentality when it comes to drugs (as you mentioned the difference between blazing here in Cali vs your friends back home). The reason it's legal is because native american shamans use them for rituals, THAT's how you're supposed to take it, they say you should smoke it in a dark room with one spotter and a deem lit room, so obv being the type of person that I am, I did it during the day, alone in my room, blinds wide open hahahahahaha, ok that was the second time, the first time I did do it the proper way and it was a lot less scary.

[stephen212]

Cool stuff stephen! You think they would be mad if I pee in there as I'm floating?


Oy, I should never have suggested it. :doh:

[mr_coffee]

Oy, I should never have suggested it. :doh:

I can't help it, I pee in pools all the time. :( hah

[stephen212]

Stephen,

the eighth decade of the 20th Century? You old foggie you;)

Old yes, but not very grown up. :baby:

And not a line on my face last I looked, which was 1985.

[mr_coffee]

Nah, but it does have the wind tunnel effect, like your face is being pulled by G force lol one of the crazy side effects.

Personally, it's def not pleasant in the sense of sitting back thinking 'oh wow cool dude', but you come out of it with a new outlook. I swear, physics made a whole lot of sense after taking salvia LOL. space, time, all of that became apparent. Like I said, check out the DMT thread in the mens section for my descriptions hahahha.

You can also youtube kids trying salvia, but man they are doing it in the dumbest way possible, more proof that its really about your mindset and mentality when it comes to drugs (as you mentioned the difference between blazing here in Cali vs your friends back home). The reason it's legal is because native american shamans use them for rituals, THAT's how you're supposed to take it, they say you should smoke it in a dark room with one spotter and a deem lit room, so obv being the type of person that I am, I did it during the day, alone in my room, blinds wide open hahahahahaha, ok that was the second time, the first time I did do it the proper way and it was a lot less scary.

Cool stuff! Sounds pretty interesting hah

[stephen212]

I can't help it, I pee in pools all the time. :( hah

Maybe there are isolation tanks filled with kitty litter instead.

[marycsm77]

Old yes, but not very grown up. :baby:

And not a line on my face last I looked, which was 1985.



Well having seen you in person i'd say you have nothin to worry about;)

[mr_coffee]

What the fuck! I'm watching the side effects of Saliva on people thats pretty insane thats legal and marijuana isn't. It looks like it makes everyone have down syndrome or something.

This guy explains it pretty well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwYf8TR0ZLc

[Imight]

You can also youtube kids trying salvia, but man they are doing it in the dumbest way possible, more proof that its really about your mindset and mentality when it comes to drugs (as you mentioned the difference between blazing here in Cali vs your friends back home). The reason it's legal is because native american shamans use them for rituals, THAT's how you're supposed to take it, they say you should smoke it in a dark room with one spotter and a deem lit room.
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Check out the lighting.....multiple spotters....noise...yes, she's doing it right (sarcasm) LOL

[Imight]

How you should smoke salvia.



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[mr_coffee]

jI_e3XJ0ir8

Check out the lighting.....multiple spotters....noise...yes, she's doing it right (sarcasm) LOL

Lol yah pretty lame environment for sure. Can you do it in a vaporizer?

[Imight]

Lol yah pretty lame environment for sure. Can you do it in a vaporizer?

Not sure, but I don't think I would want to try it with that. That might be a bit much, I'd just use a bong or pipe.


How NOT to take salvia.

**great lighting and environment bro**

btw. this is what happened to my friend here at my house. It was freaking scary. I, on the other hand, have been quite calm on salvia. You just have to have the right mind for this sort of thing, it's not for everyone. This guy freaked out pretty bad, but why the hell is he in a bright ass room with 2-3 other people barking orders at him? smh.

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[Le Type Français]

That video is horrible. I'm glad it lasted only minutes for him.

[NorthQuad]

From those videos, Salvia reminds me of a weed/plant that grows up north. It looks like dill from a vegetable garden. If you smoke it, you're messed up for under an hour, just like those people were messed up. If you eat it, you stop breathing and die. I've never tried it, just so you know. I stuck to beer. Which is even worse than drugs. I'm crazy like that.

[lynnifer]

I'm a little shocked by that graph. I tried benzies when I was 19 and they're in the middle of the pack there! While I was hyperactive, it's not something that allured me to do it again.

I had always assumed (through media and personal experience with friends) that marijuana was a gateway drug as well. Interesting literature.

[Le Type Français]

Benzos on that graph shocked me, too, I've been taking Xanax for almost four years now on the same regime as I began with. I don't understand how people can abuse benzos. If you abuse it, the shit should knock you out cold. In four years of my taking it, my body hasn't gained some unique tolerance that requires more than usual to make me comfortable.

[marycsm77]

Benzos on that graph shocked me, too, I've been taking Xanax for almost four years now on the same regime as I began with. I don't understand how people can abuse benzos. If you abuse it, the shit should knock you out cold. In four years of my taking it, my body hasn't gained some unique tolerance that requires more than usual to make me comfortable.

Todd,
It is good that you have never increased your xanax, you're not Abusing it. Many people however do. But there is a tolerance to Benzo's and they don't have the same affect after taking awhile. I'm glad they help you, but if you ever decide to go off it that is when you will probably run into difficulties. Benzo's are notoriously hard to get off.

I take Klonopin 1mg qhs and have kept it that way. However when I dont take it for a few days I notice I am waking up alot more which is why I started taking it to begin with.

A friend of mine tried to get off klonopin recently after taking 3mg per day for about 4 years. she tried to taper off much too quickly and had many bad side effects and had to go back to a place that was comfortable and taper more slowly.

[Allan1]

dude, smoke some weed . It's good sometimes.. of cource you have to be carefull. but if you just smoke once a week its not that bad...

[stephen212]

Here's a hyper-rational reason for being very cautious about embarking on a life in recreational drugs (and drink): insurance benefits (private and governmental) for mental health and addiction treatment continues to be scaled back.

Also, do a little mental family genogram. Do you have family members who have drug- or alcohol-related problems. Genetics may not always be destiny, but often is.

[leahcaprice]

Everyone I know who has tried Salvia hated it. One guy thought his whole life between 8 years old and 26 was a dream and his son didn't exist, one thought he was being dragged into hell and one thought he was the pages of a book turning over bu God. My flatmate got stuck to the corner of his bed and couldn't get off, thought that's all that existed. Over in minutes but still no good reviews. I thought I was the sofa once, it was crap. LOL.

[mr_coffee]

Here's a hyper-rational reason for being very cautious about embarking on a life in recreational drugs (and drink): insurance benefits (private and governmental) for mental health and addiction treatment continues to be scaled back.

Also, do a little mental family genogram. Do you have family members who have drug- or alcohol-related problems. Genetics may not always be destiny, but often is.

hah funny you should say that. My real dad was a huge coke head and a bank robber (still in jail from it actually)! My bother has a highly addictive personality and did get into all the hardcore drugs, meth, coke, etc. But we have very different personalities. I tried a bunch of drugs as a child around 7-8th grade just to see what it was all about then stopped.


Everyone I know who has tried Salvia hated it. One guy thought his whole life between 8 years old and 26 was a dream and his son didn't exist, one thought he was being dragged into hell and one thought he was the pages of a book turning over bu God. My flatmate got stuck to the corner of his bed and couldn't get off, thought that's all that existed. Over in minutes but still no good reviews. I thought I was the sofa once, it was crap. LOL.

The odd thing in the experiences you just mentioned sound like a pretty crazy time (in a good sense), if its not reality why fear it? Maybe i'm strange but when I have a really bad dream and I wake up I'm not like, OMG FUCK THAT DREAM, I can't go back to sleep! arrrgh. I'm more like, wow that was really weird and I ponder why I had such a dream or what it meant exactly.

Although I have been injured for 6 years now I sometimes see my reflection or have moments where I wonder if this is all real. That too me is really strange and more scary than any of the other events you mentioned because I'm not waking up from this one.

[leahcaprice]

I know it's not real but at the time it does feel very very real which is why they were so upset.

[LaMemChose]

A family genogram is telling. It does not have to be a parent or sibling (even though it is in your case, Cory). It can be grandparent(s), bio aunt(s), bio uncle (s), bio great aunts, bio great uncles, great grandparent(s). It gets a tad on the creepy side when you check your bio family tree and see what's in it.

Addition is not so much personality (depending upon how one defines personality) as it is the brain's tendency for addiction. With that many first degree relatives addicted, your odds are much higher to become addicted yourself.

Having been there, done that, it's crazy nuts to test the substance h2o.

BTW, had any new patents lately for your work? :)

[leahcaprice]

Well I know a woman who got onto heroin and no one in her family ever took anything, except maybe her sister who did LSD and her bro sniffed glue as a teenager. I don't think it has anything to do with if your family has a history of drug addiction, though it can't help if your parents are addicts as of course many people follow suit as it is 'normal' for them.

[LaMemChose]

Well I know a woman who got onto heroin and no one in her family ever took anything, except maybe her sister who did LSD and her bro sniffed glue as a teenager. I don't think it has anything to do with if your family has a history of drug addiction, though it can't help if your parents are addicts as of course many people follow suit as it is 'normal' for them.

There is a tendency for addiction if you have other biological relatives in your family tree. It does not always fall that way, as with those individuals you know, but you are more likely. My genogram was freaky wild with those who were alcoholics. When I looked at it, I was stunned.

When you are an alcoholic or an addict, when you try (insert substance here) those around you drink it, eat it, whatever and leave it unscathed. They did it. Take it or leave it. When you're addicted, it's as though you have found your "thing." That thing alters your brain chemistry and the feel good part of your brain wants more. and more. and more.

There is a part of the brain involved in addiction. It responds to substances differently in an addicted person than it does in someone else.

BTW, if the bro was into glue on even a semi-regular basis, that's a pretty good indication all was not right in his world. Given a little time, the heroin user may not be the only one in the fam tree with addiction. Also, unless you know the parents', grandparents', aunts', uncle's and greats' history with addiction, there may be more in the genogram for the heroin user than you have a clue.

If you want to know about familial and biological influences on addiction, look into it. Interesting stuff, at least it is to me now that I'm on this side of addiction (just for today ;) ).

[mr_coffee]

A family genogram is telling. It does not have to be a parent or sibling (even though it is in your case, Cory). It can be grandparent(s), bio aunt(s), bio uncle (s), bio great aunts, bio great uncles, great grandparent(s). It gets a tad on the creepy side when you check your bio family tree and see what's in it.

Addition is not so much personality (depending upon how one defines personality) as it is the brain's tendency for addiction. With that many first degree relatives addicted, your odds are much higher to become addicted yourself.

Having been there, done that, it's crazy nuts to test the substance h2o.

BTW, had any new patents lately for your work? :)


Interesting...actually yes I have 2 internal patents pending!

[Le Type Français]

Todd,
It is good that you have never increased your xanax, you're not Abusing it. Many people however do. But there is a tolerance to Benzo's and they don't have the same affect after taking awhile. I'm glad they help you, but if you ever decide to go off it that is when you will probably run into difficulties. Benzo's are notoriously hard to get off.

I take Klonopin 1mg qhs and have kept it that way. However when I dont take it for a few days I notice I am waking up alot more which is why I started taking it to begin with.

A friend of mine tried to get off klonopin recently after taking 3mg per day for about 4 years. she tried to taper off much too quickly and had many bad side effects and had to go back to a place that was comfortable and taper more slowly.

I take small doses, fortunately, and I'll consider going off Xanax when I find an appropriate drug like Paxil that helps me eliminate my panic completely. I've been there before, but my present doctor doesn't seem keen on helping me to arrive to that place, so I take Xanax along with the Paxil for four years now.

[Klymir]

There is a ton of fear mongering about hallucinogens going on in this thread. Here are a couple graphs showing the harm, and the potential of addictiveness of various drugs (the first graph differs slightly from Stevens, but is basically the same)-- Source (http://science.iowamedicalmarijuana.org/pdfs/safety/Nutt%20Rational%20Scale%20Drug%20Harms%20Lancet%20 2007.pdf).
http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=37611&d=1288918293
http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=37612&d=1288918323
Cory, mushrooms are awesome! I’ve done them a few times and only had one bad trip (even that one was insightful, but not very enjoyable). If you don't take too much, are in a good environment with good friends, it's not a big deal. Unfortunately I have only heard bad stories from people trying them post SCI so I haven’t done them since my accident. I’ve heard they cause terrible spasms, but since you are pretty incomplete, they might not be too bad for you.

If you’re not interested in trying them anymore, though, it’s no big deal. If you expect a bad trip, you'll probably get one.

[NorthQuad]

I had a couple friends eat some zoomers one night before a ski trip to Jasper. I just went to sleep while they went on their pre-holiday. I woke up to being soccer kicked in the ankle by one of them throwing a temper tantrum while they were wearing their ski boots. I got up and ended his mushroom trip. It also ended his ski trip.

There's some more fear mongering for ya.

[LaMemChose]

Interesting...actually yes I have 2 internal patents pending!

Congrats, Cory!

[Allan1]

smoke that shit!!

[quad79]

I just got a call from my long lost best friend from high school today. Good girl but she stayed in trouble. She disappeared a couple months before graduation. About four months later, I got a collect call from a prison in Georgia. It was her. Drugs led her to do some bad stuff-horrible stuff. We lost touch when I went to rehab & she just tracked me down. She was just released 3 years ago. 11 years wasted in prison, thanks to hard drugs. What a shame she wasn't allowed to really live until she was 30! Totally wasn't worth it.:no:

[number1advocate]

Dude, challenge your mind and body! Don't numb them even further with drugs!

[Bspill1]

Only having read the OP I would say go for it. stay away from acid and stick with mushrooms. You never know what you get with acid. Mushrooms are much more fun and easier to control. You can work your way into it also. Just eat a stem the first time and work your way up. I usually have some in my freezer and buy them any chance I can get. They can cause pretty violent spasms though.

[GL]

I can see things with a very open mind because I have lived a wonderful life no matter what my medical physical ailments are or were !!! I've been through the up's and downs

Yes Sometimes we just have to resort to other angles to escape the unbearable pain !!!

I never used mushrooms or heroine but Pot used to take the edge off at times when I was younger .

Being pot is the safer / lesser drugs out there
Pot mellows some of us out but as I got older I was never one to have drugs cloud my judgment

Life is too precious to kill brain cells on a euphoria .

Different strokes for different folks so >
I dont think there is a true Right or Wrong way to live
Just live safe and do the best we can FWIW

( GL )

[mr_coffee]

I'm just living life to the fullest and enjoying what I can enjoy. I'm actually super happy with life currently. I thank my good friends I met here in cali as well as on here.

THanks guys!

[GL]

Hi Cory as you can tell We care about you
Keep smiling
your friend
Judy GL

[TheDuder]

Hi Cory,

I tried shrooms once post SCI. My legs bounced around on the footrests for about 12 hours. Using all the strength I could muster (and my arms are strong) I couldn't get my legs to stop.

Wow, the exact same thing happened to me the one time i tried shrooms post-SCI which ruined the experience and thus i've never done them since.

Here i thought it was a fluke situation by my legs spasming like crazy, but it must be a common reaction with shrooms and SCI.

As for LSD, i'm to scared to do it while being a quad. I did it about 10 times pre-SCI and enjoyed all except one of those trips. Acid though is so unpredictable compared to other drugs that i want no part of a to intense trip while paralyzed and not knowing if i'd handle it fine because it's not like a weed buzz that generally starts wearing off in 30-45 minutes. A strong hit of LSD can leave to tripping for 8-12 hours, so if it's a bad experience while being paralyzed, you're shit out of luck in hoping the buzz will lessen in a short amount of time.

[mr_coffee]

I had a pretty amazing time on saliva actually. Really insane how that stuff is legal. I literally was out of this world. 4 of us tried it and we all enjoyed it a ton. I think the people on the internet who are losing their minds are doing it really wrong or just have bad luck.

I never had such an out of body experience. Literally 10 seconds after I took the hit I noticed rounded edges around everything and my friends voices soon faded away. I then saw a bright golden yellow half cylinder come from under me and soon my friends were covered in it. All I could see were the outlines of their faces as if they were wrapped in yellow plastic.

I then laid my head back and felt my body being stretched and started being absorbed by the environment. My body stayed in one place but my energy and my vision went to the ceiling while looking down at everyone. It was almost like I was everything if that makes any sense. At first I was scared and tried to fight this feeling of letting go because it made me believe that the world I was living in was all a dream and this energy, this state of mind I was currently in was the purest form of reality.

I thought how can this be? I was trapped in this body for so long? My friends I was just talking too are they also just my imagination? But then I let go and it just felt amazing. I think death may feel like that actually. I can't wait to tell my mom about the experience when I come home for Christmas.

I think for the right person this stuff can really be a great and mind opening experience. Ever since that day I tried it I've been in this very happy mood. Just enjoying everything around me and I can honestly say I haven't felt this ever. I was just sitting having lunch with my manager and some co-workers. They all were talking about their problems (they eat too much, they are stressed out too much, they are tired, etc.) I told them, well guys I FEEL GREAT. There I was the kid in the wheelchair feeling amazing. My manager says, "Cory! Look at you! Always the positive one, good for you."

This they said only lasted 15 minutes but in my mind it didn't feel like long at all and then I came back to normal. I did notice I was sweating a lot and my heart rate was super fast but so amazing.

THIS SHIT IS LEGAL PEOPLE. I highly recommend anyone try it just once to see where it takes you.
This is the stuff I purchased: http://salviazone.com/ I tried the yellow, green, and red. The green just gave me a head ache, didn't try the yellow, and went straight for the red.
If you do try it, I would not recommend doing it alone because if you do get scared and you are alone then it will make it worse I think. Make sure you around friends you trust.

My one Indian friend who works at NASA went some place even crazier than I. But after doing this experience I realize I totally do not want to do acid or any hardcore drugs because if you get stuck in that world, wow good luck!

[Le Type Français]

Cool deal, Cory!

[all-buggered-up]

fIrst what other drugs are you on, do you know the side-effects of mixing what drugs you already use with LSD or anything else, I'm on 2 artificial opiates,as well as 5 other meds, do I know what the side effects of each of my meds is when mixed with each of the other meds are, yeah i look it up and ask my sister, a nurse to look into everything.. How many drugs do you take and are they compatable in the mixture with any other drugs and their likely impurities? If you don't know, then don't do it.

[mr_coffee]

I don't take any drugs other than sometimes injecting my penis to get a raging erection.

[lynnifer]

I had a pretty amazing time on saliva actually.

It's 'salvia' isn't it or am I wrong? Because otherwise that sentence sounds funny. Normally I have a good time when trying someone else's saliva as well. lol

[brucec]

It's 'salvia' isn't it or am I wrong? Because otherwise that sentence sounds funny. Normally I have a good time when trying someone else's saliva as well. lol

good come on line, hey baby, want to do some saliva?

[mr_coffee]

It's 'salvia' isn't it or am I wrong? Because otherwise that sentence sounds funny. Normally I have a good time when trying someone else's saliva as well. lol

lol yes i totally spelled it wrong