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09-04-2002, 01:23 PM
09-07-2002, 01:20 PM
I disagree on one point, though: restricting the percentage of THC would seem to encourage people to smoke more. This doesn't make sense, considering that most of pot's detrimental effects come from the carcinogens in the smoke, not the THC.
Also, 16 sounds a little young for the legal age; I would've thought 18.
09-07-2002, 07:06 PM
It would never happen, we've been discussing this like crazy on the talk shows and stuff. The Canadian government will bow down to the US, because of the ridiculously harsh drug laws you have. The war on drugs down there is the exact opposite of what the Canadian gov. is wanting to do.
Because the US is our biggest trading partner and the big guy of the world, it won't even get near passing into the law books. Actually, I don't even smoke anymore but I do think that it should be decriminalized, and all criminal records should be wiped clean.
I wish are government had the balls to stand up to the US gov, but they don't especially Chretian our useless PM who should step down before he totally destroy's our country. What we should do is tell the US, if you don't lift the softwood lumber tariff's (we've lost 20,000 jobs another 30,000 soon) Free-trade, yeah right!, and keep your polluting plants away from our borders, we will legalize pot and you can just piss off Georgie Boy!
Whew! That felt good! http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif
Hey, MG!! A decade ago or so they said no state would pass a law that would allow marijuana to be used for any purpose. And there are all those doctors and scientists who said that marijuana had no medical value. Of course, that was before they performed strict scientific testing on the effects of THC on pain.
However, I agree with you that our country has got its head up its a$$ when it comes to pot. Just goes to show how powerful the anti anything mentality has become here.
"And so it begins."
09-09-2002, 02:02 AM
Australia has similar troubles with the States RE:trade tariffs and their farm bill .
John Howard our PM is that far up George W's backside the only way to get a message to him is tap morse code on the soles of his feet .. http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif
09-09-2002, 03:44 AM
whats the drinking age up there? decrease legal blood alcahol content for drivers?
sounds like a way to get all youngsters hooked on pot & away from drinking. i have heard pot has like 500 percent more carcinigens than tobaco who will the government sue for lung cancer?
funny monkeygirl & dogger: look at usa trade agreements usa gets the short end of the stick in every trade with every country because we are seen as the big guy. then we get to here all you guys whine. do canadians deserve jobs more than people from usa?
09-09-2002, 08:55 AM
Anyone who wants to use pot should leave this country and move to where it is legal, if they prefer drugs over doing what the law prescribes for the good citizens of this country. God help us all if it is ever legalized in the US. Drugs (any) has such an adverse effect on families, when a family member becomes addicted to them, it causes one problem after another. Legalizing pot, is not the answer here in the US, but exporting those who deem it vital for there life, would be a better solution, please...
The War on Drugs causes far more damage than the drugs themselves (not that anyone with sense would say drugs are harmless.) It's the fact that drugs are illegal that draws the criminal element to meet the demand for them, which always has and always will exist, resulting in much of the violent crime in this country.
"i have heard pot has like 500 percent more carcinigens than tobaco..."
you heard wrong. Besides, the vast majority of pot smokers will smoke a joint once in a while in a social setting. VERY few people would smoke the equivalent of a pack or two of smokes a day.
Humans have always and will always use and abuse substances. It is fruitless, counter productive, unhealthy & IMPOSSIBLE to have a "drug free" society.
Most civilized and advanced countries (such as virtually all of Europe, Australia & now Canada) long realized that drug abuse is a medical problem (with criminal reprocussions) and some drug use & experimentation is a social issue.
The US is BADLY behind the curve on this one. But don't worry, as the old "dinosaurs" die off their ideas will die with them and the world will be a better place. It's inevitable.
[This message was edited by mkowalski99 on Sep 09, 2002 at 11:22 PM.]
09-09-2002, 11:31 PM
That's hilarious dogger http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif, cracked up on that one. That's about it too, doesn't it make you sick!
[QUOTE[; funny monkeygirl & dogger: look at usa trade agreements usa gets the short end of the stick in every trade with every country because we are seen as the big guy. then we get to here all you guys whine. do canadians deserve jobs more than people from usa? [QUOTE]
Short end of the stick all the time, yeah right, in your dreams, try every other counry gets the short end of the stick because you are the big guy. Oh and it's not whining my friend who eats testicles, it's a legitimate reason to speak when a country can all of a sudden decide, no I don't want to play this game like this anymore, I want to play it my way, I don't care about a previous agreements, I'll break them, and all the rest of you can just go to hell. 30,000 out of work, oh well, I'm bigger than you and I can do what ever I want,so what ya gonna do about it! Huh, whatcha gonna do huh?
No Canadians don't deserve to have jobs more than the US, nor do they deserve to have their jobs ripped away from them and to destroy their lives, because a country breaks laws and agreements because they want to!
09-10-2002, 01:16 AM
Maybe I am just old-fashioned but I believe that laws should be protecting us from each other and not from ourselves. For example, I believe that there should be laws against drinking and driving. Likewise, prohibition of heroin and crack is justifiable if it is clear that these drugs lead to more crime. The argument for outlawing of cannabis should be based solely on whether or not it causes crime or hurts other people besides the user, once the user is old enough to vote or drive. A car is much more dangerous to the person and others than cannabis. Wise.
Quote from Bareback Jack:
"God help us all if it is ever legalized in the US. Drugs (any) has such an adverse effect on families, when a family member becomes addicted to them, it causes one problem after another."
Marijuana is less addictive than alcohol, tobacco, morphine, or even Percoset!! Yet they sell these products to the detriment of family members on a daily basis.
Quote from Bareback Jack:
"Legalizing pot, is not the answer here in the US, but exporting those who deem it vital for there life, would be a better solution, please..."
Who has said anything about legalizing pot? I am just looking for it to be handled the same way the Morphine, Oxycontin, Percoset, and Dilaudid my doctors insist I try to alleviate my central pain. You need to educate yourself on what central pain is before you can make such a statement. I have tried all the remedies my MDs at the VA have offered and found nothing that helps without undesireable side effects. Would you rather I slept the rest of my life away?
Quote from CLC379:
"look at usa trade agreements usa gets the short end of the stick in every trade with every country because we are seen as the big guy."
How can anyone believe that average americans are "the big guy"? The only big guys I have ever heard of are the politicians who feed off our taxes and the heads of big corporations who feed off the investors. Have you forgotten Enron or Worldcom so soon?
Quote from CLC379:
"sounds like a way to get all youngsters hooked on pot & away from drinking."
And this is a bad thing?!?!? http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/images/smilies/eek.gif How many kids have been killed while drinking versus smoking pot? How many fights have broken out? Killed in automobile crashes?
Quote from Dr. Young:
For example, I believe that there should be laws against drinking and driving. Likewise, prohibition of heroin and crack is justifiable if it is clear that these drugs lead to more crime.
As Dr. Young will attest, Morphine is a derivative of Heroin and most of the drugs used to numb or desensitize the human body are derived from cocaine. Yet I do not hear anyone calling for Morphine or lidocaine to be banned.
There are no instances where someone who was smoking pot and not indulging in other mind-altering substances has committed any violent crimes. Anyone who alters their state of mind, whether it be with alcohol, pot, or hard drugs (legal or illegal), and gets behind the wheel should go to jail. If this statement were true then the whole U.S. would have criminal records.
"And so it begins."
Dr. Young, you're exactly right. Government's job is to protect us from others, and to educate us so we can make informed decisions. Government's job is NOT to protect us from ourselves. There are many activities, which, like drugs, can be dangerous, but are enjoyed by people. Should skiing be outlawed? Football? Bungy jumping? Swimming? I could go on and on.