Any Classical Music Fans/musicians?

[arndog]

I mostly listen to Classical, from Bach to Bartok.
Play classical guitar ( I know Dale does too). But really trying to listen to chamber music rather than symphonic stuff. Anybody else out there with this affliction?
Jon

[LaMemChose]

Thou art not the only soul similarly afflicted.

*Don't mind me. The cabin and nature tend to do this to me.:p

[arndog]

Alright, LMChose.
Here are a few pieces that make living worth while:
all 16 Beethoven string quartets but especially the late ones.
Goldman Piano Variations, Bach
Samuel Barber - violin concerto
Brahms - basically everything he has ever published and did not burn.
Bartok - 6 string quartets
Shostakovich - both violin concertos, cello concerto and let's throw in his 2 piano concertos
When I was struggling with neuropathic pain and the meds could only do so much, these pieces helped me get through it all.

[Natalie_A]

2 of my favorites that you didn't mention are Handel's Water Music and Vivaldi's Four Seasons. I swear John Williams got the Jaws theme from one of the movements.

[arndog]

Natalie A - if you like Vivaldi's 4 seasons, check out Vivaldi's 'guitar concerto' somehow. There is a classical guitarist with the name of John Williams (a different guy than the composer you mentioned) and he has an amazing version of Vivaldi's guitar concerto. It is pretty joyous.

[arndog]

Oh, I forgot one thing. Youtube is great for listening to (free) classical music. I just did a search on youtube of vivaldi guitar concerto and you can watch and listen to it.

[Natalie_A]

Thanks I'll check it out I love guitar. From classical to SRV to Alexi Laiho. Not that many would know him. LOL

[lynnifer]

Claire de Lune & Moonlight Sonata! I love piano pieces.

[arndog]

Lynnifer ! - Debussy's Claire de Lune is too good for this earth. There is a lot of Debussy's piano music that is up to that quality. His 'Images' and book of Preludes. Really can't go wrong there.
The Moonlight Sonata - okay, now you have to treat yourself to Big Beethoven's other 31 piano sonatas. While I was recovering from this last spine surgery this spring and I was in bed a lot, I did an internet, ipod lecture series on Beethoven's 32 piano sonatas - the group of them span his whole career and are a window into his creativity, the piano was his music laboratory.

[LaMemChose]

Pachelbel's Canon. It's my absolute fave.

I once had a CD with nothing, but variations of it. That CD certainly got a workout. I would study by it as it seemed to provide an atmosphere conducive to preparation and thinking.

[rfbdorf]

I listened to those lectures (Teaching Company) on the way to & from work a few months ago. Very interesting and enjoyable. The lectures on Mozart's operas were also excellent.
- Richard
...I did an internet, ipod lecture series on Beethoven's 32 piano sonatas - the group of them span his whole career and are a window into his creativity, the piano was his music laboratory.

[hlh]

Ah, chamber music.....

Some day when I'm rich and famous (or old and retired) I will have a grand piano in my living room and I will spend my saturdays surrounded by friends, good food and drink, playing music......

Arndog, you have quite a list of wonderful music there. Impressive.

I'll have a go - a few listening favorites (although I would prefer to play them.....!)

Beethoven opus 132 string quartet - 3rd movement is my favorite single movement.
But opus 131 is the greatest of them all.
The piano quintets - Brahms, Schuman, Dvorak.
Yes, I agree... all Brahms chamber music - especially the piano quartets.
Certainly some pure, beautiful Mozart - how about the string quintets.
Schubert's 2 cello quintet
Schubert songs (An die musik...)
Messaien - Quartet for the End of Time - devastating
Shostakovich's piano trio is so wonderful. And the string quartets are fun.
Bartok string quartets - esp. #1, 2, and 4
Schoenberg's Verklarte Nacht

And I would have to add a few other favorites, that could be played in a chamber ...

Bach unaccompanied cello suites
Schubert impromptus for piano
Beethoven's late piano sonatas. The last 3.
Arvo Part - Fratres
Ives - the Unanswered question
And then which Gould recording of Bach's Goldberg's Variations.... It depends...

there's no end, really....

[arndog]

I am so glad there are others classical music fans.
Richard - I am a teach12.com junkie and have done tons of the Robert Greenberg musicology lectures. Bach, Haydn, Mozart Operas that you mentioned, His intro to opera which is how I got started with those. I am 50 (old and retired) and I should know something about opera. Then Beethoven 32 piano sonatas, Tchiakovsky (interesting life),etc.
What others have you listened to?

hlh - I can't believe you mentioned Op 132 3rd movement. It speaks to me so much - I already have dibs on it for playing at my funeral:p
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Op 131(#14) is great but I like #15, 16 as much. I am taken 'em all with me on that desert island.
Gould Goldman Variations- I have both the '71 and his later version and favor the later mainly cause the sound quality is better. How about you?
You must be a pianist I would guess.....
Funny you mention Brahms piano quartets. One hour ago I just saw a concert here in Reno of Op 26 very well done. We have a chamber festival for the next 4 days.
They also played the amazing Ravel's Trio - have you heard this one? The cellist from the Tokyo Quartet is in town for our festival and he was great.
I have Shosti's Piano Trio - great piece. I also like his 15 quartets although they start to sound the same after a while.
LIEDER - Schubert, Brahms , Schumann both Clara and Robert.
I admit I have a crush on Barbara Bonney and her voice.
HLH, Anyone who likes Bartok's SQs is okay in my book.
I have the Emerson Quartet's Bartok cycle.
Mozarts String quartets dedicated to Haydn , op. 76 I think. Good stuff.
You are right , the list goes on and on and on.....

LaMeme - Pachelbel's Canon. Nice.

[rfbdorf]

arndog -
I started with the History of Human Language, then the English language; Mozart's operas, Beethoven's piano sonatas, western literature, the short story, history of Asia Minor, the Metropolitan Museum, will start Great Masters of Music in the New Year. I may have missed 1 or 2!
- Richard
...I am a teach12.com junkie and have done tons of the Robert Greenberg musicology lectures. Bach, Haydn, Mozart Operas that you mentioned, His intro to opera which is how I got started with those. I am 50 (old and retired) and I should know something about opera. Then Beethoven 32 piano sonatas, Tchiakovsky (interesting life),etc.
What others have you listened to?...

[amarillogal]

Does Charlotte Church or Josh Groban count? I've enjoyed Charlotte's music for quite a while now, and I'm just beginning to listen to and enjoy Josh's stuff.

[arndog]

Richard - I have had my eye on the history of human language but haven't gotten it. That is cool that you did the 32 beeth piano sonatas - that really opened my eyes.
Non musical courses I did: US History, Modern European History, Great Ideas in Philosophy , buddhism (not good), greek tragedies, homer iliad, virgil aeniad. I studied science and pre med in college and missed out on a real education, so I am trying to get a liberal arts education now that I am 'down' with SCI.
We should make this a separate thread to talk more and possibly get others to get 'hooked' on Teach12. I think a lot of folks here would dig it. Beats watching sitcoms !

[Raven]

As a child, I recall my mom listening to classical music. It many times soothes my soul/spirit and takes me back to that time. I recall one time when we went to a city on the other side of the border in Mexico. We were passing a plaza and there were a lot people gathered. Apparently something was being awaited on. Sure enough, I saw a dark limo arrive and then a most amazing looking man came out of it. As the door opened, they began to play Ravel's Bolero. Wow! I was hypnotized by the music and what took place then. They had a sort of glass room close to the kiosk. He was to be locked into that room and stay for certain number of days without eating, drinking or getting out of there. I can't recall the number of days since I was a little child. It all impressed me so much that I have written a poem about it. Everytime I hear Bolero, my mind goes back to that day. Going back in time now as I listen to this again.

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Btw, later on I heard my mom saying that he would do this throughout many other cities in Mexico. Also she said that he later died after one of them. I guess it was too much to ask from his body.

Raven

[rfbdorf]

Raven, that reminds me of Franz Kafka's short story "The Hunger Artist," but that was supposed to be bizarre fiction!
- Richard

[Raven]

Raven, that reminds me of Franz Kafka's short story "The Hunger Artist," but that was supposed to be bizarre fiction!
- Richard

Incredible eh? I never read that story, I'm sorry to say Richard. Now I want to read it though. This though was a true event. It impressed me so much that I can still remember the man's name. I think he was of Indian descent. His name was Faquier Saroq or something that sounds like that. He was a very impressive looking man. As I said, I never forgot him, the music and my feelings for it all.

Raven

Edited to add: This gentleman had a box where people would drop money for him, i saw some people put coins on that occasion. I think he did this to support himself. Sad that it ended this way.

[hlh]

Raven -

What an image Bolero conjures for you! Isn't it amazing how just a few notes of a melody can bring back such vivid memories? Just like a smell can sometimes bring you back in an instant to your mother baking your favorite desert in the kitchen during childhood.....

If you appreciate Bolero, and quirky things, then one day you should rent the unusual movie Allegro non Troppo - an Italian movie (from the ?70's). When I hear Bolero, I immediately return to this movie. It is an Italian "Fantasia", of sorts. You begin observing a somewhat dysfunctional Italian orchestra, warming up before a rehearsal. Seated beside them is a gentleman with a large pad of paper. Finally, when they all quiet down, the music starts and the cartoonist begins to draw. What follows are a series of classical pieces - all wonderful - and the "cartoons" that spring from the music. "Bolero" begins with the primordial soup and shows the birth of life and evolution of man over time........

I must rent that movie again.

Richard - my father is also a huge fan of those courses, although he has focused on the sciences (biology/biology of human behavior/human biology - how we heal), statistics and a few scattered history ones.

Arndog -

Beethoven, Opus 132.

sigh.....

The 3rd movement is one of the greatest movements in all of chamber music and is the heart of Opus 132. What a lovely old recording you found. My string quartet was taught the piece by my Hungarian violin teacher, so the Budapest String Quartet's interpretation was familiar in some ways!

But no - you cannot use the slow movement for your funeral, because it represents the essence of recovery/hope/life! It is the perfect music to listen to during a tumultuous time, so I am happy you found it. Beethoven himself gave it a special title, which roughly translated is "a hymn of thanksgiving from a convalescent" to God..... He is thankful because while composing Op. 132 when became quite ill and there was a thought he might die. This turmoil is represented in the 1st movement. And as he recovered, then came the 3rd movement..... surviving, giving thanks, feeling new strength. A simplistic interpretation, but lovely nonetheless.

I have been partial to the Cavatina from Op. 130 for my funeral, I must admit.

Glenn Gould's recordings of the Goldberg variations are stunningly different, and both spectacular. When I listen to his early breakthrough recording, I am awed by his technique and perfection. When I listen to his later performance, I am hit with a brick in the first measure, as we stagger so slowly through the theme. Can it work? Yes.... and it is a wonderful torture. He was a tortured genius, wasn't he.

I hope you can enjoy more concerts at the chamber music festival. It sounds wonderful, and you saw a great assortment of pieces last night. Yes, I know the Ravel piano trio well, having performed it many years ago, as well as the Brahms piano quartet in A major. However, my favorite Brahms is the piano quartet in g minor. Perhaps I will go listen to it now...

[lynnifer]

While I was recovering from this last spine surgery this spring and I was in bed a lot, I did an internet, ipod lecture series on Beethoven's 32 piano sonatas - the group of them span his whole career and are a window into his creativity, the piano was his music laboratory.

Is there a way for me to access this?

[rfbdorf]

Is there a way for me to access this?The lectures are sold here: http://www.teach12.com/ttcx/CourseDescLong2.aspx?cid=7250
But I wouldn't pay that much - they will for sure be on sale for much, much less at some time in the year (I have never paid full price for any lectures, always wait for their sales). When you buy the course via a download (as I did), you affirm that you will use it for yourself only, and not copy it to others. If it were purchased in DVD, CD or audiotape format, I don't suppose there would be a problem with sending someone the medium.
- Richard

[arndog]

lynnifer - only buy courses that are on sale. All courses go on sale during the year. I just look at the 'on sale' section. If you call the teach12.com people they are helpful.


Raven - the movie 'Ten' almost spoiled that piece(Bolero). But it really is good and that video adds the pyrotechnics that is , well, missing in boring classical music.:zzz: But if you like Ravel, check out his piano concerto with Argerich, I think it is on youtube. Good stuff.

Just got back from the concerts today.
Heard Bach violin sonata #1 BVM1001
Chopin's - cello sonata
Janacek - String Quartet Kreutzer Sonata
Mozart - Dissonance quartet
dohnanyi piano quintet - totally beautiful. I will get this on iTunes
mendelssohn trio - crowd pleaser
Great day to hear all that live.
Okay,Hlh, So violin , viola, cello ? What do you play?

About op.132 movement 3 being played at my funeral, the music is for those alive to really listen to it. My gift to them. To let them know I felt strongly about this movement and for them to be happy they are alive.. I won't enjoy it then, I probably won't hear it !

[arndog]

THe last chamber music festival concert was last night.
3 stand out pieces
Brandenburg concerto #3 - at breakneck speed and joy and accuracy and ecstasy .
Shostikovich - Octet - it is on youtube and worth listening too. The 2nd movement is insanity - a self portrait for me sometimes...
Smetana - Le Moldeau - it was a piano quintet.
Back to listening to the ipod .....

[arndog]

rfbdorf - are you a fan of Brahm's horn, violin, piano trio? I read in your bio that you are a french horn player.....
It is especially beautiful .

[rfbdorf]

Brahms' trio certainly is a nice piece, and quite playable, but I've always thought it has a feeling of sadness to it - very effective, of course - and the faster movements seem a little empty to me, perhaps because Brahm's romantic sound doesn't seem to fit real well with his use of the natural horn for the piece. I've never really tried to analyze that.
It's extremely different from his friend Schumann's exciting concertpiece for 4 horns & orchestra, or the adagio & allegro for horn & piano - both of those strain the limits of playability, particularly the concertpiece, and I always feel a sort of thrill when hearing one particular spot in the concertpiece that requires that the second horn have lips and nerves of steel! Far beyond my range of talent, I'm afraid.
- Richard

[arndog]

I will check out the Schumann pieces. Do you still play?
Jon

[rfbdorf]

Now only in a brass quintet, composed of other engineers. We've been together about 10 years now, meet every Thursday. It's a lot of fun.
- Richard

[arndog]

This is a list of the arguable top 100 chamber pieces of all time. I actually used this list as a tool to start my wonderful listening journey. I wondered if there were any opinions, glaring omissions, mixed up orders - or if someone sees something that I have to listen to right away !
1. Quartet for Strings No. 14 in C sharp minor - Ludwig van Beethoven
2. Quintet for 2 Violins, Viola and 2 Cellos in C major, Op. 163 - Franz Schubert
3. Quintet for Clarinet and Strings in A major - Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
4. Quintet for Clarinet and Strings in B minor, Op. 115 - Johannes Brahms
5. String Quartet No. 14 in D minor "Death and the Maiden" - Franz Schubert
6. Piano Quintet in A major "Trout" - Franz Schubert
7. String Quartet No. 13 in B flat major and Grosse Fugue - Ludwig van Beethoven
8. Piano Quintet in F minor, Op. 34 - Johannes Brahms
9. String Quartet No. 15 in A minor - Ludwig van Beethoven
10. Quintet for 2 Violins, 2 Violas and Cello in G minor, K 516 - Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
11. Quartet for Strings No. 12 in F major "American" - Antonín Dvorák
12. String Quartet No. 19 in C major "Dissonance" - Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
13. Piano Trio No. 7 in B flat major, Op. 97 "Archduke" - Ludwig van Beethoven
14. String Quartet No. 2 in D major "Nocturne" - Alexander Borodin
15. Octet for Strings in E flat major - Felix Mendelssohn
16. String Quartet in C major, Op. 76 No. 3 "Emperor" - Joseph Haydn
17. Piano Quintet in E flat major - Robert Schumann
18. Piano Quartet No. 1 in G minor, Op. 25 - Johannes Brahms
19. Piano Trio No. 1 in B flat major - Franz Schubert
20. String Quartet No. 16 in F major - Ludwig van Beethoven
21. Piano Trio No. 2 in E flat major - Franz Schubert
22. String Quartet No. 4 in C major - Béla Bartók
23. Quintet for 2 Violins, 2 Violas and Cello in C major, K 515 - Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
24. String Quartet No. 8 in C minor, Op. 110 - Dmitri Shostakovitch
25. String Quartet in B flat major, Op. 76 No. 4 "Sunrise" - Joseph Haydn
26. String Quartet in D minor, Op. 76 No. 2 "Quinten" - Joseph Haydn
27. String Quartet No. 17 in B flat major "Hunt" - Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
28. String Quartet No. 9 in C major "Hero" - Ludwig van Beethoven
29. String Quartet No. 8 in E minor - Ludwig van Beethoven
30. String Quartet No. 7 in F major - Ludwig van Beethoven
31. String Quartet in F major - Maurice Ravel
32. Quatuor pour la fin du temps - Olivier Messiaen
33. String Quartet No. 13 in A minor "Rosamunde" - Franz Schubert
34. String Quartet in G minor - Claude Debussy
35. Trio for Clarinet, Cello and Piano in A minor, Op. 114 - Johannes Brahms
36. Verklärte Nacht for String Sextet, Op. 4 - Arnold Schoenberg
37. String Quartet No. 3 in C sharp major - Béla Bartók
38. String Quartet No. 1 in E minor "From My Life" - Bedrich Smetana
39. Octet for Clarinet, Horn, Bassoon and Strings in F major - Franz Schuber
40. Quintet for 2 Violins, 2 Violas and Cello in D major, K 593 - Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
41. Piano Trio No. 4 in E minor "Dumky" - Antonín Dvorák
42. Piano Quintet No. 1 in A major, Op. 81 - Antonín Dvorák
43. String Quartet No. 2 "Intimate Letters" - Leos Janácek
44. String Quartet No. 1 "Kreutzer Sonata" - Leos Janácek
45. String Quartet No. 5 in B flat major - Béla Bartók
46. String Quartet No. 12 in E flat major, Op. 127 - Ludwig van Beethoven
47. String Quartet in D major, Op. 76 No. 5 "Largo" - Joseph Haydn
48. Lyric Suite for String Quartet - Alban Berg
49. Quartet for Oboe and Strings in F major - Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
50. String Quartet No. 1 in C minor, Op. 51 no. 1 - Johannes Brahms
51. Piano Trio No. 1 in D minor - Felix Mendelssohn
52. String Quartet No. 1 in D major - Peter Ilyich Tchaikovsky
53. Piano Trio in A minor - Peter Ilyich Tchaikovsky
54. Piano Trio No. 2 in E minor - Dmitri Shostakovich
55. Introduction and Allegro for Harp, Flute, Clarinet and String Quartet - Maurice Ravel
56. String Quartet No. 6 in D major - Béla Bartók
57. Five Movements for String Quartet - Anton Webern
58. Quintet for Piano and Winds in E flat major - Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
59. Piano Quartet No. 2 in A major, Op. 26 - Johannes Brahms
60. Octet for Wind Instruments - Igor Stravinsky
61. String Quartet No. 18 in A major - Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
62. String Quartet No. 15 in D minor - Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
63. Piano Quartet No. 1 in C minor - Gabriel Fauré
64. Divertimento for String Trio in E flat major - Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
65. String Quartet in F major, Op. 77 no. 2 - Joseph Haydn
66. Piano Trio No. 1 in D minor - Anton Arensky
67. String Quartet No. 14 in G major - Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
68. String Quartet in D major, Op. 20 no. 4 - Joseph Haydn
69. Piano Trio in A minor - Maurice Ravel
70. Italian Serenade in G major - Hugo Wolf
71. String Quartet No. 12 in C minor "Quartettsatz" - Franz Schubert
72. String Quartet No. 2 in A minor - Béla Bartók
73. String Quartet No. 15 in G major - Franz Schubert
74. String Quartet No. 14 in A flat major - Antonin Dvorák
75. Trio for Horn, Violin and Piano in E flat major, Op. 40 - Johannes Brahms
76. Sextet for Piano and Winds - Francis Poulenc
77. String Quartet No. 1 in A minor - Béla Bartók
78. String Trio - Arnold Schoenberg
79. String Quartet No. 2 - Elliott Carter
80. String Quartet in E flat major, Op. 33 No. 2 "The Joke" - Joseph Haydn
81. String Sextet No. 2 in G major "Agathe" - Johannes Brahms
82. Piano Quartet in E flat major - Robert Schumann
83. Trois Pieces Breves for Woodwind Quintet - Jacques Ibert
84. Piano Trio No. 2 in C minor - Felix Mendelssohn
805. Piano Trio No. 3 in C minor, Op. 101 - Johannes Brahms
86. Quintet for 2 Violins, 2 Violas and Cello No. 2 in G major, Op. 111 - Johannes Brahms
87. String Quartet in D major, Op. 64 no. 5 "Lark" - Joseph Haydn
88. Sonata for Flute, Viola and Harp - Claude Debussy
89. Piano Quintet - Dmitri Shostakovich
90. Piano Quintet in F minor - Cesar Franc
91. String Quartet No. 3 - Elliott Carter
92. Six Bagatelles for String Quartet - Anton Webern
93. Clarinet Quintet in B flat major - Carl Maria von Weber
94. Piano Trio No. 4 in D major "Ghost" - Ludwig van Beethoven
95. Piano Quartet No. 3 in C minor, Op. 60 - Johannes Brahms
96. String Quartet No. 16 in E flat major - Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
97. Kleine Kammermusik for Wind Quintet - Paul Hindemith
98. String Quartet No. 3 in B flat major, Op. 67 - Johannes Brahms
99. Woodwind Quintet - Carl Nielsen
100. Quintet for 2 Violins, Viola and 2 Cellos in E major, Op. 13 No. 5 - Luigi Boccherini
101. Keyboard Trio in G major, Op. 73 No. 2 "Gypsy" - Joseph Haydn
102. Septet in E flat major - Ludwig van Beethoven
103. Piano Trio in D minor - Robert Schumann
104. String Quartet No. 10 in E flat major - Antonin Dvorák
105. Quintet for 2 Violins, 2 Violas and Cello No. 1 in F major, Op. 88 - Johannes Brahms
106. Woodwind Quintet in G minor, Op. 56 No.2 - Franz Danzi
107. String Quartet No. 2 - Arnold Schoenberg
108. Piano Trio No. 2 in C major, Op. 87 - Johannes Brahms
109. String Quartet No. 1 in B minor - Sergei Prokofiev
110. String Quartet No. 2 in C major - Benjamin Britten
111. String Quartet No. 11 in F minor "Serioso" - Ludwig van Beethoven
112. String Quartet No. 10 - Dmitri Shostakovich
113. String Quartet No. 3 in D major, Op. 44 No. 1 - Felix Mendelssohn
114. Piano Quartet No. 2 in E flat major, K493 - Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
115. String Quartet No. 6 in B flat major "La Malinconia" - Ludwig van Beethoven
116. String Quartet in D minor "Voces Intimae" - Jean Sibelius
117. String Quartet In G minor, Op. 74 No. 3 "Reiterquartett" - Joseph Haydn
118. Quintet for 2 Violins, 2 Violas and Cello in F major - Anton Bruckner
119. String Quartet in E minor - Giuseppe Verdi
120. String Quartet in G minor - Edvard Grieg

[rfbdorf]

The Trout quintet would be my desert island disk. But I'm surprised to not see Dvorak's Serenade for Winds in the huge list.
- Richard

[smokymtn memories]

Claire de Lune & Moonlight Sonata! I love piano pieces.


I too love piano pieces. The first piece I learned was Moonlight Sonata, it remains my favorite.

I've kept my music, but have doubts the piano will ever be replaced. Does'nt cost anything to hope. :D

[arndog]

I have been listening to Bach's Mass in B Minor, and highlights of the St. Matthews Passion, and tossing in Beethoven's Misa Solemnis, Brahm's German Requiem too. I go through these themes often. Anways, I heard the Mass in B minor performed a few weeks ago and was blown away at its beauty. All period instruments and great acoustics in the Mondavi Center in Davis , California. Performed by the American Bach Soloists.

Anyone else a fan of these large choral works?
jon

[rfbdorf]

I played 1st horn in the German Requiem a few years ago. It was very fulfilling.
You would probably like Haydn's Creation - perhaps one of his most ambitious pieces. Some very nice effects - in the beginning, the music is formless, never resolving satisfactorily; Haydn is conveying chaos. But when the chorus sings "let there be light" there's a burst of sound, and the chords suddenly all start to make sense and are well defined. Geat music.
- Richard

[arndog]

You are right. I have to get a copy of Haydn's creation. That is cool that you played the German Requiem - so beautiful....